The 1950s Del Rio, Texas UFO Crashes

it didn't start or end with Roswell throughout American and world history there are numerous Encounters of UAP crash and crash retrieval efforts with credible Paper Trails and Witnesses and sometimes these trails get messy details records and facts of one case may be confused with another making it difficult to fully analyze the stories of these fascinating retrieval efforts this is especially true for two cases along the Aid Desert border of Texas and Mexico what's up guys it's UAP ger thank you so much for joining me today as we are going to cover a region of Texas near the Texas Mexico border named Del Rio that experienced not one but two alleged UFO crash and Recovery operations during the 1950s over the years these two cases have almost molded into one but due to their insanely interesting stories and astonishing connections to euphology each deserve to be analyzed with a critical lens are these cases fact or fiction join me today as we investigate to find out in June of 2018 Dr Eric Davis was interviewed by journalist George knp on coast to coast amm and yes this is the same Eric Davis from the Wilson Davis memo whose scientific pedigree cannot be understated when the two legends of euphology begin discussing UFO reverse engineering efforts the doctor States quote yeah they've got I would say you know if you're going to throw your bets on Roswell your bets really good Del Rio Texas that was a 1950s case that was another one and the other ones I won't bring up because those are still classified researching the highly disputed mj12 documents leads us to another clue surrounding the Texas Mexico border following the description of the Roswell case in the Eisenhower briefing document the alleged mj12 document to brief the president incumbent highlights a case from the 6th of December 1950 this case saw a UFO of similar origin to Roswell impact the Earth at high speeds along the L Indio area of the Texas Mexico border the craft impacted at such high speeds it was nearly obliterated when the search team arrived the recovered materials were transported to the atomic energy Mission facility at Sandia New Mexico for study okay pretty cut and dry right El Indio is 75 Mi south east of Del Rio so it makes sense to use this as a reference point right but there is another case that occurred in 1955 that researchers additionally use the Del Rio area as a reference point the Colonel Robert Willingham crash retrieval case near langry Texas there are a number of huge factors separating these cases we will cover later in the video video but lack of study of these two cases has led to egregious misidentification between the two so let's take a step back and analyze each case Colonel Robert Burton Willingham served honorably in World War II in Korea his distinguished career saw him within the US Army Air Force Air Force Reserves and civilian air patrol serving in the US Air Force during Korea Willingham claims to have received a purple heart for his severe wound suffered to his leg and head when hit by a mortar shell in a foxhole I use the word claims here very deliberately because I have not been able to verify any receiving of his Purple Heart now it is worth mentioning there are some respected euphology like Kevin Randall in his book Crash where UFOs fall from the sky who doubt or call into question willing Ham's Air Force service record and this is because the national personal record service in St Louis Missouri was unable to provide his service record however what is worthy to note on July 12th 1973 there was a fire in this building that destroyed most military records for personnel serving between 1947 and 1963 now the author Noah Torres has stated he has over 50 documents to prove Willian Ham's Air Force service but I have yet to see these documents these injuries saw Willingham unable to return to combat where he then returned to Texas as an Air Force Reserve pilot on a spring day in 1955 the colonel and reserves were running a cold war simulation mission where Willingham and other f86 aviators assisted b47 and B-52 bombers it is on this Mission Robert claims to have experienced a crashed UAP before we get started I would like to immediately cite my primary sources and discuss the history of Willingham coming public I will primarily be pulling from the 2008 book the other Roswell UFO crash on the Texas border written by Noah Torres and Ruben uriarte due to the author's personal work and interviews with Robert near the end of his life in 2015 Robert first went public with his story in 1965 featured in a Pennsylvania weekly newspaper called Mechanicsburg an article asking civilian air patrol Pilots about UFO counters first oversaw the colonel story 12 years later researchers found clippings of this article in the NCAP the national investig ation committee on aerial phenomenon lost in the annals of Nik Cap's files researcher Todd zetel Tracked Down Willingham and made him signed an affidavit and I do have to point out the inaccuracies between this article and the affidavit versus the other Roswell book I am referencing in this article from 67 and affidavit from 77 Willingham states he was flying an f94 he goes on to say in the other Roswell book he was actually flying an f86 saber in the article he claims his experience happened in 1948 but in the book and other sources Willingham claims to have seen the UFO in 1955 this he blams on a faulty memory due to the head injury he sustained in Korea but this to me does in fact hurt Willian Ham's credibility on a spring day in 1955 the colonel and other f86 aviators escorted b-47s for a cold war simulation training exercise from the Carswell AFB it's worth noting willingham's serial number and call sign cd1 195 and Willie Eddie the mission served to escort the bombers in their Texas leg of their New York to Texas to Washington State Journey Willingham stated the Squadron had received intelligence by radio that fast moving unidentified signatures had been picked up by the distant early warning radar systems du's located in Canada these signatures were moving south towards Texas during the mission the pilot of the B4 radioed in about an unknown aircraft picked up on radar moving south from the Northwest Willingham then saw a bright big object like a star coming his way the object approached within 35 to 40 Mi of the USF regiment at an estimated speed of 2,000 mph this was an estimate by Willingham because the craft seemed to go four times the speed of his f86 which traveled at 685 mph Willingham described the brightly lit surface quote qu like magnesium steel other Pilots including George Smithson stated they had also seen the craft in a post incident debrief the object made a 90° turn headed Southwest towards the Mexican border shortly after the turn the object was seen to emit quote a lot of Sparks and it tilted down at about a 45° angle the colonel wondered if this was due to the abrupt turning maneuver causing hole damage the object fell out of view and the colonel assumed it had crash landed just west of Del Rio Now quickly there is no report of this sighting in 1955 however we can look to the Condon report I spoke of in my stigma video which was created specifically to push the UFO stigma case five of the report lists a military UFO encounter from the 19th of September 1957 also from Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth in this recorded encounter a large bright Fireball alternating red to White Chas a USAF rb47 for more than 600 miles the object was seen by flight crew detected by Carswell radar and picked up by the RB 47's radar interestingly the equipment for electronic counter measures and reconnaissance aboard the rb47 registered the UFO emanating a strong radar signal of 2800 Mega cycl quoted from the Condon report from Pilot Lewis D Chase quote before any evasive action could be taken the light crossed in front of the the plane moving to the right at a velocity far higher than airplane speeds the light was seen by Pilot and co-pilot and appeared to the pilot to be a glowing body as big as a barn end quote the condent report shockingly detailed how the ECM graphic and radar data were all removed upon Landing by intelligence Personnel on screen now is the original CIA report of this incident anyways back to Willingham familiar with the area Robert estimated the crash to be in langree Texas he radioed Denver flight controller requesting permission to fly to the estimated crash site Denver replied quote yes go check out what it was and where it hit we want to know where it was too end quote Willingham approached Lang tree from San Angelo and brought his f86 down to an altitude of near 800 ft it was here he observed the wreckage of a disc shaped craft which collided with the ground just south of the Rio Grand on the Mexican side of the Border the craft had seemingly collided and skidded 300 ft across the ground the colonel returned to Mission and formulated a plan to visit the site privately when he returned to base the colonel arrived to corsak Airfield met his friend and prepared to depart to the wreckage in a 1947 aranka Champion willingham's friends slipped under the radar and faced no reprisals for this incident his name was later revealed after his death in 2002 as Jack Perkins a Pennsylvania electronics engineer who served in the Civil Air Patrol with Robert before we go onto the crash there may be just a little more to Willingham story than meets the eye this unclassified document from the 18th of July 1955 just months after willing hampson counter details a response request from USAF Captain lty meon to a request from the commander of USAF Security Services in San Antonio the commander was requesting for data on UFO sightings from Nea AC the Northeast Air Command and Northwestern United States specifically from b47 Jets this could very well be coincidence but it is interesting how a USAF commander in San Antonio of all places was interested in b47 UFO encounters right after Robert's sighting and we do have another very relevant case from Spring the year before willingham's encounter 1954 on May 14th 1954 a flight of Marine reserve Jets led by Major Charles Scarboro flew about 6 Mi west of Dallas Texas the team spotted 16 unidentified signatures in groups of four Pilots Scaro and Jorgenson attempted to box these UFOs alternating between white to Orange similar to our other two cases the signatures accelerated away rapidly at high speeds evading the Marines Perkins and Willingham reached the crash area at at about 400 p.m. the object had broken off into roughly three sections with debris strewn everywhere the object appeared to be Dome shaped 12 to 15 ft in length resting 50 ft beyond the main body of the UFO the main body appeared to be a flattened disc 20 to 25 ft in diameter split into two larger pieces half the disc was embedded into a Sandy Mound while touching down the two noticed Mexican soldiers jeeps and cars formed in a perimeter around the crash site the two men approached the site and observed many pieces of debris quote there were lots of pieces of debris some little and some large chunks about as big as a good sofa chair Willingham noted the Mexicans were not attempting material Gathering or retrieval effort of any kind no trucks or airplanes were at the scene the soldiers appeared to be simply standing perimeter on the site after touching down quite a distance from the wreckage Mexican soldiers approach the two men one of these an officer named Lieutenant Martinez from Mexico City noted willingham's USAF fatigues and offered to take him near the site but without Perkins Martinez told Robert quote we can't let anyone close to it the American Air Force will be here very soon to clean this all up now Willingham assumed the military men were from the closest Army base CAD Akuna around 100 m away I have not been able to track down any record of a tenant Martinez here but according to willingham's story The Mexican government was simply guarding the wreckage for an American crash retrieval team to show up this is a process claimed that pops up relatively often such as the 1978 Bolivia crash retrieval I talked about in my moon Dust video which saw Bolivian authorities alerting American Military to inspect the down UFO when departing the wreckage Willingham decided he would not leave without evidence of the crash so he grabbed a small piece of shiny metal to Upon returning to base Willingham submitted an oral and written report to reserve Commander Colonel Miller and soon received threats not to discuss his sightings warning of consequences one General in USAF intelligence told him quote don't say anything about what you saw Down On the Music Border the material Willingham possessed was rigid unyielding but extremely light and grayish silver in color it reminded him of magnesium steel small honeycomb patterned holes line the side which the colonel figured was to dissipate heat there was no inscription symbols or characters on it unlike the Roswell material this material shares little resemblance to the shape memory alloy found at Roswell and likely studied by Batel Memorial Institute Willingham tried to test the piece's material properties through a series of deformation tests including torch cutting all to no avail according to Willingham he possessed the material for 4 days but in his haste to study the material took no images the colonel sent the fragment to USMC Metallurgy lab in hagertown Maryland a USMC major received the material and was perplexed by the structure Willingham gave him his number and address to receive the piece back sometime later Willingham contacted the lab to talk to the major he was told no such person had worked there nor did they know anything about this mysterious metal there were no records of tests he attempted to pursue the chain of command but was told it would be in his best interest not to pursue the matter further while willingham's story may be suspect here regarding the materials what is undeniable is the fact USG did in fact partake in the study of UFO materials even if you discount the battel Roswell connection we can analyze project moondust tasked with recovering foreign space vehicles and UFOs or the 1966 CIA memo titled exploitation of metallic fragment from unidentified flying object which discusses material from a fallen UFO recovered in the Congo now this is one of the most troubling aspects of this case for me in the other Roswell there is a specific chapter on alien bobies no mention of nhi is made here quote I never saw Bob IES I was not able to get close enough and I don't know what happened after I left endot Willingham reasons the most likely place for bodies if there were any would be under the dome shaped section of the craft however on a July 24th 2012 interview with Jeff rents Willingham specifically States He Saw bodies yeah okay so the front of the craft that impacted the ground I ripped a hole open inside and and apparently people could see in there and there were dead ETS or they weren't humans there were dead bodies in there of some kind right right and you couldn't get around there to see in there either well I kind of snuck around a little you're a sneaky fella aren't you all right now tell her you snuck around there a little bit Colonel what did you see well it didn't look like human beings to me how many of them were there I believe they were three and uh the lieutenant said they were four all right but I never did see the other one were the bodies mangled or were they relatively intact and what were they dressed in well they weren't dressed at all okay and they were in a lot of different pieces I didn't see but one that had a complete top but I wouldn't swear what he was all right what did the head look like anything like we've seen in the common research literature the the big eyes the smooth skin or the little mouth did you see anything yeah they some of them that look like that they they just I don't know how you explain it but they they just their heads and uh arms and stuff their arms are a little bitty uh they look like uh Broomsticks wow okay but they had big uhhuh broomsticks goad all right no no I got you they had no uniform on they were just basically skin if that's what their outer covering is yeah the point of bodies is reiterated in a 2023 presentation given by author of the book Noah Torres who additionally mentions bodies was this poor reporting in the book I don't think so because Willingham is specifically quoted as not seen bodies I will absolutely not fall back in an argument that willingham's memory in old age was failing him causing him to remember details poorly this is the argument he uses as to why some small inaccuracies exist in his affidavit like the type of plane he was flying I have reached out to Noah Torres for more comment on the bodies because as of now this is a massive issue in willingham's Music credibility we do have an independent witness who can bring some interesting details to this case former USAF member William Drager Drager first appears in Leonard stringfield's UFO crash retrievals reports in an entry titled Del Rio Texas 1950 here is another case of conflicting dates with our two cases while this entry lists 1950 Drager clearly discusses willingham's case Drager fluent in Spanish was hired as an interpreter for a Japanese documentary discussing a UFO crash involving a colonel near the Mexican border I have not been able to find this documentary but I have seen screenshots from it in Noah torres's book in an affidavit provided Drager details how he contacted a Mexican General who commanded that area of the Border Drager explains the case of the general and the general stated quote yes I know about that I don't have any papers or documents to prove it but due to my position I know about that end quote Drager Willingham and the film crew met with the general who on camera denied and evaded any questions dealing with the incident and UFOs according to Drager this man was beyond reproach and a quote unquote military celebrity in Mexico before we get into the 1950 El Indio case listed in the Eisenhower briefing mj12 document how can we concretely say these two incidents are not the same well for starters the memo describes the crashed object as totally incinerated while willingham's case describes three major pieces of wreckage two the 1950 case is listed as occurring on December 6th 1950 Willingham served in Korea until his injury which occurred on December 26th 1950 and three the 1950 case is stated as occurring 75 Mi south of Del Rio between El Indio and Guerero the Lang Street location is 60 Mi Northwest of Del Rio and finally point four willingham's case describes use of distant early warning or do systems these were not implemented until 1952 so impossible to be associated with the 1950 Music case so what exactly can we find out about this 1950 Crash from our alleged 1952 mj12 memo we observe a craft almost incinerated recovered between L Indio Tex in Guerero Mexico the wreckage is then sent to the atomic energy commission's Sandia facility and unfortunately there really isn't too much to be found out about this case I can reference a 1995 Omni magazine article titled crash at El Indio alleged UFO crash in Mexico by Dennis Stacy Stacy had conducted a mission from 1990 to 94 to decipher the crash location and determine whether the story mentioned in the document was real or a hoax Stacy found a town resident Senor Flores who actually witnessed the event quote he had been working on his family's Land north of town north of the river in El Indio when a ball of fire fell from the sky crashing on the adjoining Ranch and igniting a grass fire a day or two later a military contingent arrived from petas negras blocking off the location and hauled something Away by truck Flores was not aware if the military vehicles were mexic American or a mix and had no idea if the wreckage was hauled away Stacy thinks that possibly but without confirmation this could be describing a case of a Civil Air Patrol plane crash that occurred on January 16th 1944 but this date January 6th 1950 is a key date on this day a nationwide us alert was called at 10:30 a.m. eastern time regarding quote large number of unidentified aircraft approaching Northeastern us at high altitude Defense command is taking action to dispatch interceptors no reason to believe they are friendly end quote within the document an estimated 40 signatures were spotted at 32,000 ft funny enough General Ry yes the same general from Roswell canel this alert at 1316 hours interestingly enough December 8th 1950 then sees a confidential memo directed to Jay Edgar Hoover regarding flying sof ERS and how Army intelligence has been put on high alert for any data whatsoever on these flying discs so while we really can't find any factual data on this L Indio crash we can find Nationwide alert regarding UFOs at the same time does this FBI memo have to do with the Air Force unidentified craft alert or possibly a crash retrieval we do know from the guy hodle memo sent later this year the FBI was in fact discussing crash retrievals and bodies apparently UFO researcher Todd zetel yes the same from willingham's case obtained a Declassified USAF document stating the military had recovered a foreign object on December 6th or 7th of 1950 and transported it back to Carswell AFB but this unwillingness to provide any shred of proof of this document means we cannot consider this part of the case so remember how the mj12 document mentions the debris was taken to Sandy at labs and into the hands of the aec well here is where things get interesting we all know in the 2024 ndaa the aec was historically used to misclassify and Opus skate UFO information and likely more materials Legacy programs Etc but Sandia lab sits on the property of Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico in 1949 President Truman handed over managerial responsibilities of Sandia to AT&T yes the phone company the same one that made the transistor in the 1940s well if we look at Steven Greer's document Archive of his disclosure project witness list we can find two examples of redacted names protected Witnesses involving AT&T and nhi one entry States quote witness from ACC with knowledge of ET technology transfer to AT&T end quot in the private industrial sector and another which states quote president of blank knowledge of ET technology transfer to AT&T he has been on radio sighting show may have useful pseudonyms knows about the ET technology transfer program end quote and Kirtland itself along with Sandia has been forever intertwined with UFO lore so this is extremely interesting how at the time of this alleged retrieval Sandia managed by AT&T under Kirtland Air Force Base received this ET technology and Greer has multiple Witnesses who comment on some sort of ET or nhi technology transfer to the company who knows maybe AT&T is one of our early suspects for UFOs in the private sector I mean after all let's look back to my locked Martin video to the claims of USAF Master Sergeant Edgar a Fouch who stated that locked had reverse engineered the now Infamous tr3b he stated that part of this reverse engineering UAP program came from Sandia Labs remember AT&T managed Sandia until 1993 when it was taken over by you guessed it locked Martin so there's a lot more to investigate here and maybe a little bit more truth to this 1950 crash that meets the eye hey guys thank you so much for watching and joining me as I investigated these 1950s Del Rio Texas UFO crashes when I started this investigation I was just expecting to cover one case 1950 from everything I had read I thought that Willingham story The mj12 document William Drager and so forth all covered one event so when I read the book The Other Roswell by Noah Torres which I highly recommend it became clear that we were talking about two separate instances I would like to know what you guys think especially about Willingham I am eagerly awaiting the author to get back in touch with me because at least to me the bodies claims the conflicting claims are a huge red flag massive and um I can't really consider this story as anything more than just a story until I have those details ironed out it is already enough of a problem to me that Willingham changed small details on his affidavit sure they might be small such as the aircraft he was flying in the year however these are still very important things to get right because if these details are wrong the affidavit is pretty much null and void uh it's kind of disappointing especially that he relies on head injuries in Korea to to say there's these problems with his memories but you know maybe I'll be able to find out a little more and give an update I think the December 6 1950 crash is really interesting even though we don't have much details because that mj12 document and I made a post about this in community and I'll say it again I think the mj12 documents combine a lot of disinformation and factual information similar to what Stanton Freeman claims and to me the context of this crash is super interesting especially with Sandy at Labs Kirtland the aec just all sorts of delicious puzzle pieces that kind of hook together and uh kind of weave into what we already think about when we already think of Crash retrievals I promise you guys that next episode is another whistleblowers video uh Volume 2 I got plenty of those I got plenty of ideas trust me there's like a dozen two dozen other crash retrievals I also want to cover and we'll get to them in time I thank everyone so much for watching today please remember to like And subscribe and hey if you think the Channel's worth a little bit of cash feel free to join that patreon I'm not going to keep gatekeep any of my content only support what you think the channel is worth and I'd like to get a thought from you guys we're approaching 5,000 subscribers at 5,000 I still wanted to do a video explaining the uh Origins and taxonomy of nhi that was a deleted slide in Carl Nell Soul Foundation presentation so if you guys want to see that let me know if everyone just wants more research that's totally fine too I love making these videos it doesn't matter what I make I just want to research I want to put stuff out there that I think is worth talking about and discussing so you let me know what you guys want and please in the comments let me know what you thought of these cases I really want to know what you guys think about willing him am I being too harsh here I don't think I am I think I'm just kind of weighing the facts this case is a little different to some others like Roswell Roswell of course is our best documented crash with all the affidavit signed and all the witnesses and even something like Kingman with Arthur stanel sure we have about one affidavit as well to describe that story with some connecting things like Dr Ed do and Eric Wang and so forth but the fact of the matter is with stanil we don't have details in his affidavit that change so you know I I think willingham's story while fascinating has a lot less credibility but there is a lot of context around his sighting that is pretty interesting such as other b47 sightings so thank you guys appreciate it and I will catch everybody on the next show