Transcript - Northrop Grumman & TRW - UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation, & Legacy Programs [Vol.2]

When you're a company whose ideas and innovations shape the very way we live and work, you dare not be complacent. It's crucial that you rediscover and re-examine all your separate parts, so that when the pieces come together again, you approach your universe from a new perspective. Tomorrow is taking shape music at a company called TRW. Building aircraft, the likes of which the world has never seen. This is what we do. That's the value of performance. Northrop Grumman. We could tell you how we push past the status quo. And how no one out innovates us. Or we can just show you. Here on my channel, we investigate UFO legacy programs, compartmented special access, music unacknowledged special access, and controlled access programs. These programs music are recessed to the darkest corners of the US defense industrial base and black budget, carved out of traditional oversight channels that perform full spectrum >> music >> recovery, storage, exploitation, derivation, and program protection of UFOs and technologies music of unknown origin. This cadre of once unified programs galvanized under what we might call the {quote} Manhattan Project 2.0, now exists in scattered music fiefdoms of siloed programs separated across agencies, offices, major armed forces departments, and more. Indeed, it appears that the UFO legacy program structure of today is actually a far cry from the stalwart legacy program portfolio that was established music as early or even earlier than 1947 that featured strong direction and guidance from prominent figures like President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Though this web is more tangled and complex music than a channel like mine can ever fully comprehend, we must still do our best. For all intents and purposes, the structure of UFO legacy programs over the past 80 years exists music as a changeling, morphing and stretching to adapt to special access program reforms, creating cover programs and offices to enjoy ever-expanding secrecy in an ever-growing complex world. Indeed, music it appears the last figure to command UFO legacy programs with an iron fist music was the late Darth Vader himself, Dick Cheney. And this isn't just me saying this. music Recently, David Grusch discussed this himself. Uh I was just very disturbed uh to find uh how this was controlled, the self-licking ice cream cone, music unaccountable, everybody owns a piece, nobody owns the outcome, music and there's not really a mob boss. The closest person we got that uh I was aware of was unfortunately now deceased uh Vice President Dick Cheney, uh Darth Vader himself. Not shocking that he was involved in this. And essentially, when he left in 2009, that was the last time that these activities really had central leadership. Alas, due to this complexity and recent bizarre attempts to craft outwardly false UFO legacy program outlines pushed by figures like Luis Elizondo, I recently began illustrating a UFO legacy program outline that I easily visualize as a pyramid. At the top of this pyramid sits the ever-amorphous UFO music control group, a tenuous position or positions that was once ruled by Dick Cheney that I believe exists as a shell of its former self, with maybe James Clapper being the only individual to come even close to holding command and oversight over numerous music scattered and siloed programs. Below the control group music sits what I call UFO legacy program administrators, various directorates, offices, and components within the US armed forces branches music and intelligence agencies that operate an extremely strict yet stripped chain of command to ensure maximum UFO legacy program security, protection, and oversight. And I seriously cannot think of any better project to learn more about what I just said than my recent Air Force project. And I highly recommend learning the phrase the {quote} hidden wing and learn the name Terry Phillips. Under the legacy program administrators music sit one of my all-time favorite acronyms, FFRDCs or federally funded research and development centers, government-owned, contractor-operated, or GOCO music institutions that allow legacy programs to utilize institutions such as the MITRE Corporation, Aerospace Corporation, music RAND Corporation, and DOE/NNSA national labs such as Sandia, Los Alamos, and Oak music Ridge to operate as subject matter experts and R&D program aces music within the legacy programs, serving long-term and specialized music needs their program sponsor could not accomplish in-house. I strongly believe this FFRDC layer of my pyramid exists to arbitrate knowledge and access to materials, craft, and bodies to the lowest level of the UFO legacy program structure, defense industrial base contractors. I have furthered this program structure by stating this legacy program framework is bound together by the US defense industrial base, whose authoritative channels are often bypassed to allow UFO legacy programs to harness any US military and intelligence asset needed to accomplish these clandestine mission directives. Indeed, I have used analogy to liken the beautiful limestone casing that once protected the Great Pyramids of Giza to UFO legacy program structure. The limestone casing in our instance here is comprised of SAPs, CAPs, USAPs, music carve-out contracts, program protection offices like the DARPA SID, AFOSI PJ and Terry Phillips, DOE OICI, general counterintelligence, Sean Kirkpatrick, etc. And again, I believe for the overwhelming number of legacy programs in existence today, this structure is extremely steadfast and strict. And the vast majority of these programs operate not without oversight like many would claim, but instead extremely rigorous and narrow chains of command and oversight. But okay, any returning viewer to my channel knows all of this already. We talk about the legacy program structure at the beginning of nearly every single one of my recent videos. So, >> music >> why am I saying all this? I reference the complex evolution of UFO legacy programs and their rigid structures because I believe these concepts are largely uniform across these clandestine programs that are tasked with one or more elements music of the retrieval, storage, and exploitation of non-human intelligence and technical vehicles. But, music and this is a big butt, there seems to be one element involved in legacy programs that breaks this mold, an entity that should reside on the lowest level of the legacy program structure next to Lockheed Martin, SAIC, music Battelle Memorial Institute, and others, an entity that should largely be a cog in the program machine with only need-to-know personnel read into very specific compartments of these technologies of unknown origin-focused programs. This defense industrial base prime contractor has a very traceable evolution alongside the maturing and changing of UFO programs. A contractor whose acquisitions and senior members have direct ties to infamous UFO crash retrieval cases, expansion of special access program security mechanisms that I believe such programs morph to take advantage of. And a contractor who's housed numerous individuals one might call UFO legacy program gatekeepers or senior personnel that I have both named before and further names I guarantee you have never heard of. This military industrial complex staple music has seemingly carved out its own slice of the legacy program pie. And thanks to recent statements by David Grusch discussing elements of private contractors using IRAD, aka music independent research and development funds, during the early days of the war on terror as the impetus for their own almost breakaway programs. Perhaps, just perhaps, we can isolate music in on this specific contractor as retaining such {quote} breakaway programs with loose music to no oversight from their original government customer. And today, these programs in question apparently operate at nondescript or closed locations, employ individuals you will both recognize and be introduced to, and may just operate outside of their traditional legacy program framework, or enjoy increased liberties and access to {quote} core secrets over other prime defense contractors. When it's so nice, we have to do it twice. And thus, today's investigation will be part two of our investigation into Northrop Grumman and UFO legacy program operations. Now, before we get started here, recently I made a Lockheed Martin legacy programs video. This project served as a replacement for an incomplete and quite frankly poor Lockheed video I created early on in my channel's history. This video today on Northrop is not the same scenario. No, indeed, I still highly recommend my first Northrop Grumman project. Yet, I still think there are countless remaining and very interesting strings to pull on and things to learn. But alas, that first video music primarily followed Northrop as it exists in UFO lore. Edgar Fouche's claims of Northrop serving as a core R&D partner on the TR-3B alien reproduction vehicle, the alleged Colonel Steve Wilson's claims regarding Teledyne Ryan that would be music purchased by Lockheed serving as a core legacy program contractor, William Hamilton's early explorations of Northrop's Tejon radar cross-section facility housing an underground ant hill, and much music more. In my recent projects, I have moved to be as specific as possible, naming dates, locations, programs, history, and most importantly personnel with current or prior music history in UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering operations. Thus, for this project, music we will view Northrop through the lens of specificity. And for that reason, music we will not just be analyzing Northrop Grumman as it exists today, but also its major music acquisitions such as TRW Inc. and TRW spin-off FFRDC, the Aerospace Corporation, and identify senior legacy program personnel and intriguing ties to modern-day programs in both of these entities. In this project, music we will spend such significant time investigating TRW. music This project should really be called Northrop Grumman and TRW. But as you will see, I find the music most value in investigating TRW, a contractor with countless ties to UFO reverse engineering and music crash retrieval programs, in reference to its integration into Northrop Grumman. In today's project, you should also seek to find a music critical analysis of Northrop Grumman's UFO legacy program security infrastructure, likely ran by the illustrious former senior executive service music and Air Force special access program security director and executive director of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations Office of Special Projects, Mr. Terry Phillips. After all here, Northrop Grumman is far more nondescript when it comes to public testimony of whistleblower discussion of UFO legacy programs. The father of the B-2 Spirit bomber seems to have deployed far more effective countermeasures to keep their names out of the UFO public zeitgeist. Competitors of Northrop like Lockheed Martin are everywhere in the UFO topic. Lockheed has even been labeled by name in congressional hearings on the subject of UFOs. Yet, Northrop Grumman maintains its profile spoken only as whispers music behind the scenes. And while defense industrial base prime contractors like Lockheed Martin seem to adhere to the traditional legacy program structure, an example being Lockheed obediently standing down music attempts to divest UFO materials to the ASAP program through the perspective special access program or PSAP Kona Blue at the behest of Grant Gaffney, Mary Sturtevant, and the CIA's music Directorate of Science and Technology, Northrop does not appear to honor such chains of command. Part one of my Northrop Grumman project music sought to investigate the question of if Northrop engages with UFO music legacy programs. Today's part two seeks to answer not if, but the who, what, when, where, and why of Northrop's UFO legacy program structure. So, join me today >> music >> as we explore Northrop to answer three simple questions. One, who in Northrop Grumman and their many acquisitions has music operated in a UFO legacy program senior capacity? Two, did Northrop really create {quote} breakaway UFO legacy programs that loosely or don't answer at all to their government customers as we extrapolate from the recent words of David Grusch? And finally, three, what does Northrop Grumman's modern-day legacy program structure look like? Due to the ever-growing complexity of my projects and direct naming of programs, dates, places, and individuals, music I would like to continue the trend I set forth in my Air Force project by detailing an executive summary of all of my research findings. Indeed, I want to waste no time jumping into this investigation. So, let's briefly summarize Northrop Grumman, its corporate history, and many acquisitions, and our critical points of discussion for our investigation today. Northrop Grumman operates under the expressed mission of {quote} forging technologies that push the boundaries of possible, music {end quote}. Founded in 1994 under the joining of the Northrop Corporation and Grumman Corporation, Northrop Grumman today enjoys its prestigious position as the fifth largest contractor of the US federal government, and ranks as the 100th on the Fortune 500 list of America's largest corporations. Regardless of the tool of war, Northrop Grumman is involved with primary expertise in advanced weaponry, aircraft, missile defense, mission solutions, and space out of Northrop Grumman's four operational sections, aeronautic systems, mission music systems, space systems, and defense systems. And throughout this music project, we will devote a significant amount of time implicating three of Northrop's four major operating areas within UFO legacy programs. These being mission systems, space systems, and of course, music aeronautic systems. Northrop Grumman is the proud father of several of the most iconic and incredible aircraft ever conceived and flown by the US armed forces. music And these include the B-2 Spirit bomber, B-21 Raider, E-2 Hawkeye, F-35 Lightning II, T-38 Talon, the mysterious RQ-180, and that's only counting Northrop's aircraft achievements and acknowledged music airframes at that. NG is one of five US prime defense contractors alongside Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and General Dynamics. Northrop Grumman and other primes serve a unique position within the world of government contracting. These contractors, unlike non-primes, maintain a direct contractual relationship with the US federal government. Northrop Grumman exists as the amalgamation of countless acquisitions over the decades, many of which occurred as a result of the {quote} Last Supper in 1993, a defense industry consolidation that took place in the wake of plans music to decrease defense spending after the end of the Cold War. These music numerous and infamous acquisitions include Teledyne Ryan, elements of Sperry Rand, Litton Industries, music Aerojet, and most importantly in my opinion, Thompson Ramo Wooldridge, aka TRW Inc. And thus, we arrive to our first major discussion point of today's project. We will analyze Thompson Ramo Wooldridge, its history and prestige within the US aerospace and defense industries, TRW's acquisition of BDM and integration into Northrop Grumman, specifically into Northrop's space systems and mission systems operations. We will identify several individuals who served critical roles within TRW, some of whom transitioned into Northrop Grumman that both have been previously connected to UFO legacy programs, and that I will accuse here today of involvement in such programs. These figures include Dr. Edward Ruppelt, a critical and underreported figure from the 1953 Kingman, Arizona UFO crash music retrieval. Fans of this channel will know this is one of my all-time favorite crash music cases. Dr. Ruppelt was named by primary Kingman witness Arthur Stansel Jr. as coordinating personnel and music resources to the UFO crash site. We can even observe Ruppelt being directly named by Stansell's own hand music in his diary entries the day prior to Stansell allegedly visiting the crash site. We will trace Dr. Doll's history from a physicist on the Manhattan Project to allegedly operating within UFO music crash retrieval teams to serving as a senior vice president within TRW's Systems Group. This Systems Group ultimately morphed into the two Northrop Grumman organizations listed above, Space and Mission Systems. We will also investigate components of TRW's Mission music Systems under Doll, and these include TRW's Special Projects, which was instrumental music to building SIGINT or Signals Intelligence satellites for the NRO and CIA's Directorate of Science and Technologies Joint Program B. Program B, of course, operated out of the spooky Pine Gap, Australia. This will directly connect back to prior projects of mine, including intriguing figures associated with Program B, including Program B director and CIA DS&T Deputy Director R. Evan Hineman, who is labeled by Admiral Bobby Ray Inman as possessing first-hand experience within UFO crash retrieval programs. This will lead into the investigation of the intriguing history of one Mr. Richard Haver, who served in TRW onto Northrop Grumman from 1999 to 2010 as vice president for intelligence programs. Haver maintained a curious relationship with Dick Cheney throughout his intelligence career prior to Northrop, being hand-selected by Cheney as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Policy, as well as being recruited mid-Northrop service to assist Cheney on intelligence transition teams. And of course, again, we know from David Grusch, Dick Cheney, Darth Vader himself, operated music as the head of the snake for UFO legacy programs. Speaking of heads of the snake, we will also investigate colleagues near and dear to Lieutenant General James Clapper, discussed by David Grusch himself as managing the crash retrieval issue. These include PD DNI or Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence Stephanie O'Sullivan, who prior to her spook career in the CIA, including Deputy Director of CIA DS&T, served a data-masked career in the Office of Naval Intelligence and TRW, where she managed, quote, "oversight for a series of sensitive projects for TRW," end quote. Uh in fact, uh without being inappropriate, I will say that General Clapper music was well aware of the crash retrieval issue, managed the crash retrieval issue, and when he was the DNI, USDI, DIA director, he placed people in critical roles uh to manage this issue uh both publicly and I'll just say not uh non-publicly as well. And I'll allow the audience uh to distill what I'm saying uh at the at the risk of being inappropriate or going too far with my uh discussion. So, uh General Clapper, music Stephanie O'Sullivan, other folks in the IC that are well aware of this issue, that were in rooms discussing this issue, um I ask you to be um greater leaders on this. I should not be the only former uh military officer and intelligence official uh that is uh being completely candid with the information that they were exposed to. So, I jumped at the chance to be at the center of that work and to work for Jim Clapper. He is probably the most selfless leader that I've ever worked with, and I've worked with some real legends. That's a somewhat unique path that I've taken to be standing here today. So, just to be clear and to set expectations, I need to make one point about the three and a half decades of work that I just covered. I've worked on the design and deployment of some pretty amazing systems, and led teams to put incredible technology into operations. Also of interest here are O'Sullivan's positions post-UFO legacy program oversight alongside Clapper. That include the Aerospace Corporation, the Tel Memorial Institute, Peraton, etc. In reference to O'Sullivan, we will also briefly return to one Don Myrick, former ADNI ATNF, CIA DS&T Deputy Director, and co-worker of O'Sullivan at TRW in the early 1980s. music In this same vein of Clapper, O'Sullivan, and the UFO crash retrieval issue, we will also investigate one Michael Dempsey, a man who served under music Clapper and above O'Sullivan as Deputy Director of National Intelligence within the Obama music administration, who actually personally briefed Obama plenty of times. If anyone partially read Obama onto legacy activities, it would have been Dempsey. In the vein of today's video, Dempsey would move on from ODNI to serve as Northrop Grumman's VP, Vice President, for Government Affairs. Let us also analyze the federally funded Research and Development Center, FFRDC, the Aerospace Corporation, that spun off from TRW music in 1960 due to growing concerns from other government contractors music that feared TRW's Air Force advisory role gave it unfair access to cutting-edge technologies. We will observe the Aerospace Corporation's music absolutely pitiful attempt to answer Representative Burchett's and David Grusch's interrogatories while offering up two names on the executive level of the Aerospace Corporation I believe are paramount to our investigation in the larger UFO legacy program investigation at large. Randall G. Walden, former director and program executive officer of the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office, RCO, and Edward C. Aldridge, former Under Secretary and Secretary of the Air Force, who I believe was a critical figure in reorganizing Air Force legacy programs leading to extreme compartmentalization and siloing of these programs. Grusch helped us write the interrogatives, the letters that we that we sent to the CIA, that we sent to the Aerospace Corporation, and um and the Navy as well. music Um and and Grusch is going to continue to to help in that regard. I think we have got some more letters that were that we're putting together. We've already had um a briefing from the Aerospace Corporation in a secure setting. Um I can what I can say is that it really didn't turn up anything whatsoever. Um but but at least um we got a response. Possibly the most critical aspect to our entire investigation today, we will study music David Grusch's recent Megyn Kelly interview and distill Grusch speaking on prime contractor activities music in the onset of the War on Terror, aka the early 2000s. According to Grusch, this time epoch music saw select contractors harness IRAD or Independent Research and Development funds, a system in which a contractor can pursue critical national security projects and choose whether or not to read in government sponsors, but bill them for this work nonetheless to actually spin off their own unaccountable UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs. Uh early on the the Global War on Terror, uh a lot of the money that was initially given music to these companies was essentially reallocated uh for overseas contingency operations, music and these contractors essentially uh started to do their own thing, if you will, music something called IRAD, internal research and development, and uh privately they continued certain music things that actually the government was trying to cancel as it relates to the subject, and they went off um and retrieved and exploited things essentially on their own, uh and they're only loosely accountable back uh to their government handlers. And of course, we will implicate Northrop Grumman in these music breakaway legacy activities and identify enormous reported IRAD funds from both Northrop and TRW from 1998 to 2002, roughly. And we will investigate TRW being absolutely slammed with lawsuits and music GAO investigations for numerous IRAD infractions and misappropriation of funds. Perhaps then, it should come as no surprise that early 1980s CIA Directorate of Science and Technology memos will reveal the CIA DS&T used contractor IRAD activities out of, you guessed it, TRW to support agency interests and activities. All of this will lead us to studying the possibility of very bizarre and very music deep black Northrop UFO programs that feature little to no accountability from a government music sponsor. Returning viewers know how much I love the Northrop Tejon Radar Cross Section Facility, an alleged closed former radar cross section range critical to stealth testing of the B-2 Spirit bomber that features extensive underground infrastructure. I have gone on record before to state, with confidence might I add, Tejon and its sister Lockheed site Helendale music exist within a larger network of deep underground military bases within the Antelope Valley, and this network focuses largely on UFO retrieval and research, development, test, and evaluation. Recent brave and intrepid explorers ventured onto the grounds of Tejon within the last few months, allowing us shocking new insights into this facility. I cannot wait to explore with you. We will attempt to identify the current security structure behind Northrop's modern-day UFO legacy program portfolio. Relevant personnel here include revisiting SES former executive director music of AFOSI office of special projects and former Air Force SAP security director Terry Phillips, who now serves as vice president for security at of course Northrop Grumman. We will analyze several directors of security under Phillips that I strongly believe engage with Northrop's more {quote} {unquote} exotic activities. And these include John C. Freestone, Kathy Andrews, and most intriguingly Vince Divine. All three of these directors of security under Phillips possess prestigious and curious CVs worthy of further investigation. Take Vince Divine for example, director of security and SAPCO, music aka director of Northrop's special access program central office music for NG's space sector for example. Prior to Northrop, Divine served as deputy director for security in the Air Force RCO or rapid capabilities office. Deputy director of security supporting USDI under secretary of defense for intelligence SAPCO. Director of security for AECOM, which was once EG&G. And SAP functional area lead for DARPA music strategic technology office. And lastly today, we will study what was once Northrop Grumman's answer music to the infamous Lockheed Skunk Works. The 1990s Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center or NATDC. We will analyze personnel involved with this group, the group's acknowledged music airframe projects, and the bizarre disappearance from Northrop Grumman that I wager was partially, if not fully, to leverage this music NATDC exclusively for black budget, classified, and possibly Northrop's own UFO legacy activities. With all of that out of the way, let's go ahead and dive in. To begin our investigation into Northrop Grumman, I do think it absolutely music necessary to study the founding, evolution, personnel, and intriguing claims of UFO legacy program operations surrounding Northrop's 2002 crown jewel acquisition, TRW Inc. TRW Inc., aka Thompson Ramo Wooldridge Inc., actually has roots that can be traced back to 1901 and existed since 1965 until its purchase by Northrop Grumman in 2002. TRW specialized in a variety of business ventures and these included aerospace, electronics, automotive, defense, and credit reporting, but was renowned for its defense and aerospace prowess. Serving an instrumental role in the US space race developing spacecraft such as Pioneer 1, Pioneer 10, and Apollo. Indeed, TRW operated as a major pioneer in the defense and communication satellite industry constructing cutting-edge spy, communications, and defense satellites, including the defense support program DSP satellites for detecting missile launches. And if you remember the DSP, I have talked about this program many of times before, including prior videos where the DSP music tracked fast walkers, unknown objects entering or leaving Earth's atmosphere at incomprehensible music speeds. In the 1950s and 1960s, TRW also served instrumental defense and music national security roles. And this was through its space technology laboratories STL music division that evolved into the TRW systems group, which comprised TRW's entire electronics music and defense sector. And such projects included leading the development of the US's first ICBM or intercontinental ballistic missiles and later Titan missile programs. Northrop Grumman described its crown jewel acquisition TRW as a {quote} music leading developer of military and civil space systems and satellite payloads, as well as a leading global integrator of complex, mission-enabling systems music and services {end quote}. Today, the blood of TRW still runs strong in the veins of Northrop Grumman with numerous individuals who once served senior executive roles on TRW maintaining the same positions within Northrop Grumman. In the executive summary of today's video, we spoke of Northrop's four main modern-day mission areas, aeronautic systems, mission systems, space systems, and defense systems. Upon Northrop's purchase of TRW in 2002, two new operating areas under Northrop Grumman emerged from that acquisition, mission systems and space technologies. By 2018, Northrop Grumman acquired Orbital ATK, which was integrated into a new sector called NG IS or Northrop Grumman innovative systems. Come 2020, NGIS and space technologies merged into the modern-day space systems. So, you can see the beating heart of TRW still comprises two of four mission sectors within Northrop Grumman, space systems and mission systems. Yesterday's TRW, today's Northrop Grumman mission systems, {quote} is a trusted provider of mission-enabling solutions for music global security. We have a wide portfolio of secure, affordable, integrated, and multi-domain systems and technologies. Our differentiated battle management and cyber solutions deliver timely, mission-enabling information and provide superior situational awareness and understanding to protect the US music and its global allies {end quote}. In a similar vein, yesterday's TRW, today's Northrop Grumman space systems, {quote} is an industry-leading music provider of end-to-end space and launch systems and capabilities serving national security, civil, and commercial music customers {end quote}. From a quick top-down glance, one may assume Northrop Grumman's involvement in UFO legacy programs is sequestered to Northrop's aeronautic systems division. After all, this element within the defense colossus is headquartered in Palmdale, California and produces military aircraft, autonomous systems, aerospace structures, engages with myriad highly compartmented aerospace special access programs, and often harnesses Northrop's little-known version of the Lockheed Skunk Works we will speak on later. The Northrop Grumman Advanced Design and Technology Center or ADTC. Northrop's aeronautic systems division is even one of three contractors alongside Boeing and Lockheed Martin that enjoys extremely classified RDT&E work and unparalleled access music to the infamous government-owned, contractor-operated Air Force Plant 42. Plant 42 has been a staple in my work. Most recently, I referenced Plant 42 in relation to the {quote} {unquote} hidden wing, the Air Force's alleged test and evaluation program portfolio across the western ranges that performs T&E or again test and evaluation on recovered non-human vehicles, alien reproduction vehicles, and derivative airframes. According to my understanding of the hidden wing, oftentimes these craft, both non-human and ours, music are transported to Edwards Air Force Base for T&E in plain sight, literally loaded onto trailers and driven from Plant 42. While I agree Northrop Grumman Aeronautics highly likely engages with the hidden wing and other UFO legacy RDT&E programs alongside Boeing and Lockheed out of Air Force Plant 42 focused on the reverse engineering and exploitation of non-human technical vehicles, I do think it also behooves us to study the legacy of TRW within Northrop Grumman to find music evidence and existence of UFO legacy programs. And I think this for several reasons. One, because I theorize that prior to its acquisition by Northrop, music TRW had decades of experience within UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering special access programs. And also because of several intriguing individuals with possible legacy backgrounds transitioning roles between music Northrop and TRW in the space and mission system sectors. Take former top executive of TRW, Donald C. Winter, for example, who transitioned to corporate VP and lead of mission systems for Northrop Grumman post-acquisition. Winters joined TRW in 1972, whereby the 1980s, he would join DARPA or music the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency under Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative. The Strategic Defense Initiative, aka music SDI, aka Star Wars, was a proposed missile defense system intended to protect the United States from attack by ballistic nuclear missiles. >> music >> Here, an artist's projection of the president's vision. Fanning into space, a layered defense to protect the country music from nuclear devastation. US spy satellites would watch the world below. Detect Soviet missiles blasting music off. Compute the position and speed of each missile. >> music >> Alert battle stations in space, on Earth. The first response, space-based music kinetic energy weapons fire high-speed projectiles from hypervelocity guns. Intercepting enemy missiles as they are boosted through the atmosphere. Popped up music into space. Earth-based nuclear-powered x-ray lasers fire their radioactive rays. >> music >> Attack rays from land-based excimer lasers are redirected by huge mirrors orbiting in space. music Chemical lasers fire beams that burn through the shell of the onrushing missile. >> music >> Particle beam weapons with pulsing rays join the attack. Of course, in many projects before, I have stated I believe the SDI back-channeled funds to UFO legacy programs. And also sought to harness SDI's lethality and target hardening programs and particle beam weapon systems to act offensively against UFOs. I will go so far as to say that I believe the UFO aspect of SDI far predated Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. Conceptually beginning under the Eisenhower administration as a space-based music system of high-powered microwave weaponry to down non-human technical vehicles. But I digress. Right now, I am more interested in Winter's primary SDI responsibility, a program called Talent Gold. music Talent Gold served as a project designed to serve an essential prerequisite for deploying a high-energy laser weapon system within SDI. Talent Gold was {quote} a project to develop a low-energy laser to demonstrate acquisition and tracking of targets from space and to precisely point a narrow laser beam. music {end quote} Talent Gold and Teal Ruby were mentioned by one metallurgical engineer, Albert Bruce Collins, to the legendary Leonard Stringfield as programs oriented to track and possibly down UFOs during the 1970s and SDI music as a direct result to NRO satellites detecting UFOs all the way back in the 1960s. Collins here truly is a fascinating tale, but not one I will revisit in its entirety here. But I fully recommend checking out my NRO project to learn more about his alleged first-hand encounter with a recovered UFO egg-shaped craft that featured a multi-hold interior. This year the SDI is earmarked for 4.8 music billion in the Defense Department's budget request with another 600 million dollars in the Department of Energy's. Congress is now debating these requests. Well over half the music SDI money is slated for the defense industry. Mainly the big defense contractors like Hughes, Rockwell, Boeing, TRW, Lockheed. music For example, General Motors having recently bought Hughes has so far been awarded over half a billion dollars in SDI contracts. Lockheed is close behind while Boeing TRW and McDonnell Douglas are all in the 1/3 billion dollar range. Not surprisingly, the defense industry tends to be among SDI's most enthusiastic supporters. Post-SDI, Winters would return to TRW as CEO and even operate as the 74th United music States Secretary of the Navy. I personally find it intriguing a man with Winter's CV would be the first to spearhead mission systems within Northrop Grumman. The sector of Northrop referred to as the {quote} coolest music and most dynamic portfolio in the company {end quote} by Northrop senior director of security, John Freestone. This comment will age as even more intriguing later on in this video as we implicate Freestone in operating Northrop Grumman UFO legacy program secrecy and protection under the illustrious vice president for security at Northrop, Mr. Terry Phillips. You have to draw the music line someplace. Then cross over it. That's how new ideas start. How new worlds open up. Technology from a company music called TRW helps chart new worlds. Today we draw the line where it has never been before. Tomorrow we'll cross over it. Tomorrow is taking shape at a company called TRW. Even outside of my first Northrop project, TRW has surfaced in several of my works prior in relation to UFO programs. These include analysis of TRW's own acquisitions, most famously BDM or Braddock, Dunn, and McDonald Corporation purchased by TRW in 1997. BDM is rather infamous music on my channel, specifically in relation to housing Navy Rear Admiral and Director of Naval Intelligence Sumner Shapiro on music its board of directors. Back in the late 1980s, Shapiro was actually recommended music as a point of contact by ultra spook and rogue's gallery figure of this channel, Admiral Bobby music Ray Inman, to NASA mission specialist Bob Echele for information on music recovered UFOs. Within several meetings with Echele, Shapiro would intriguingly confirm that he had studied recovered non-human music vehicles in an official capacity up close. And that many of these craft music had interlocking components that had to be assembled and disassembled in specific sequence when these recovered vehicles were rotated music around various laboratories within the continental United States. And this sequence of assembly and disassembly is an intriguing parallel to the 1948 Aztec, New Mexico music UFO crash retrieval, one of my all-time favorite cases. And let us not forget TRW's connections as a managing or critical entity to the utterly fascinating outline of the Zodiac crash retrieval program allegedly based on the real experiences of one pseudonym Sage Masters written by another pseudonym Greg Halifax. This web is captivating to say the least and features substantial investigations by the respected Richard Dolan to track down names involved with this allegedly true retrieval group featuring TRW including Dolan stating he uncovered the true identity of the individual behind the pseudonym music Sage Masters and Greg Halifax within the Zodiac story. An attorney hailing from TRW. >> music >> The attorney here in question is suggested to be one Mr. Jeffrey W. Griffith. And the Zodiac participant described in the writings is suggested to be one Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Elliott. Griffith here was indeed an attorney on the corporate counsel for Hughes Aircraft which housed the R&W, Ramo and Wooldridge, of TRW until the two split off in 1953 before forming TRW officially in 1965. Indeed, Griffith's own bio states alongside Hughes, Griffith served as {quote} general counsel of another corporation headquartered in Southern California. {end quote} My guess here, of course, is the former TRW Space Park of Redondo Beach, California. What I find most intriguing about 1998 Zodiac is a brief description of the project within the experiences of the pseudonym Sage Masters, which of course may be on Mary Elizabeth Elliott. Zodiac was a program that was {quotes} able to skirt the military chain of command with impunity. Spend money earmarked for other projects and generally do whatever it damn well pleased. All in the name of UFOs and their importance to national security. {end quote} Of course, if you recall my UFO legacy program pyramid I often state the defense industrial base of the United States is merely a tool of UFO legacy programs. Whose authoritative channels, assets, and music infrastructure may be bypassed or even commandeered by legacy activities whenever certain assets or infrastructure is music needed to accomplish these clandestine mission operations. I know a lot of people here would like me to expand on Zodiac now, but this really is another story for another day as that rabbit hole deserves its own video. Zodiac even appears in Jacques Vallee's Forbidden Science Journals such as a date marked 3 March 2001 in which an entry describes Eric Davis relaying the story of Zodiac to Vallee. Here Davis described and reported on a 10 Velobind volume housed at Wright-Patterson Air Force music Base that featured data from the Roswell, New Mexico crash and a special study done by TRW. My trust in Davis is wafer-thin to say the least as I believe he has lied to my face about the existence of alien reproduction vehicles and derivative technologies. So, I personally would be keen to see Davis expand on this music and Zodiac at large. Additionally, TRW can be found throughout my video on DUMBs, aka deep underground military bases as conducting late 1960s music and 1970s studies on {quote} state-of-the-art tube vehicle systems. {end quote} Detailing underground train systems as deep as 3,000 ft underground that could travel at speeds of 450 or greater miles per hour. Later on in this project, we will be discussing music and exploring the possibility of the now allegedly defunct Northrop radar cross-section range to home housing extensive underground facilities that connect to a larger network of DUMBs beneath the Antelope Valley. And of course, music we will argue why this network into home in particular is integral to Western Range UFO music R&D teeny programs. One must wonder if TRW helped conceptualize and design transportation infrastructure music for these sites if of course they exist. But before we continue down the path of TRW evolving into Northrop Grumman and Northrop Grumman at large, let us quickly take a side avenue to explore TRW's critical spin-off, the Aerospace Corporation. In 1960, TRW spun off the Aerospace Corporation from half of TRW's Space Technology Laboratories. The Aerospace Corporation was founded because of other contractors at the time believing TRW's Air Force advisory role granted it unfair access to technologies. Think of TRW and the Aerospace Corporation as similar to Science Applications International Corporation spinning off Leidos in 2013. Although the newly separated SAIC and Leidos focused on different business pursuits, both organizations shared similar if not the same personnel, corporate practices, and missions, access to US government special access programs, and most importantly in my opinion, involvement in clandestine UFO legacy program USAPs. Today, the Aerospace Corporation functions as a non-profit operating a federally funded research and development center or FFRDC sponsored by the Department of Defense and Air Force music located in El Segundo, California. As I pointed out in my Air Force project, El Segundo is a major US hub for aerospace SAPs where the AFOSI PJ or OSI Office of Special Projects keeps a permanent music station. Outside of their technical oversight and objective analysis for US national security space programs working closely with organizations such as the Air Force, Space Force, and NRO, I believe the Aerospace Corporation is paramount to UFO legacy programs. music Indeed, I believe the Aerospace Corporation led legacy program efforts in a parallel track to TRW and then Northrop Grumman. So, analyzing the music distant spawn of Northrop is actually well worth our time here. Recently on the SecoActivo podcast, music Representative Eric Burlison stated he had sent out numerous interrogatories music to hostile entities involved with UFO legacy program operations. Interrogatories of course exist as a formal set of written questions required by law to be answered by an adversary in order to clarify matters of fact and help to determine in advance what facts may be music presented at any trial in a case. Think of interrogatories as similar music to subpoena. Several of these interrogatories sent by Burlison music and presumably written in part if not in whole by David Grusch were gutted, neutered, music and interrogatories for one entity that I actually talk about quite often on this channel >> music >> were just straight up not delivered. Comically here, the CIA did indeed respond to their set of interrogatories and actually directed music Burlison and obviously David Grusch back to AARO, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Chairwoman Luna and the task force music and the committee staff, uh certainly I assisted in my other professional capacity um helping Representative Burlison's office did send legal interrogatives uh to several agencies and private companies. CIA was one of them um and curiously enough uh CIA provided what I considered an extremely disrespectful response. They declined >> music >> to answer our interrogatives on this matter, which is their participation in crash retrieval operations and just referred us to the Pentagon's AARO office, which music has a nebulous and a concerning history in itself. And I just find it very interesting that CIA uh did that. The Aerospace Corporation music was the only other entity to respond to interrogatories and sent corporate members to waste time stating they knew nothing about UFO legacy programs. Grusch helped us write the interrogatives, the letters that we that we sent to the CIA, that we sent to the Aerospace Corporation, music and um and the Navy as well. Um and and Grusch is going to continue to to help in that regard. I think we have got some more letters that were that we're putting together. We've already had >> music >> um a briefing from the Aerospace Corporation in a secure setting. Um I can what I can say is that it really didn't turn up anything whatsoever. Um but but at least um we got a response and and they took the time to fly uh to DC to to meet with us in person. And again, it's clear that David Grusch music was the impetus and guiding hand behind these interrogatories. So, we can safely assume he thought that the Aerospace Corporation was deep music enough in legacy program operations that the FFRDC warranted a set of questions music directly. And let me plainly state here, David Grusch is one of the few men on this planet whose word I can take to the bank. For this reason amongst music others, I am in full solidarity with Grusch that the Aerospace Corporation is absolutely involved in legacy programs. So, the Aerospace Corporation sent a team green behind the gills to waste time and state that the FFRDC had no involvement in such music clandestine UFO programs. Well, in a perfect world, who should have been sitting there answering questions honestly about Aerospace Corporation's involvement in the programs? For one, I recommend viewers who have not already watch my Air Force legacy programs video. I consider this analysis of the modern-day structure of UFO legacy programs within the Air Force my most critical work to date. Within the project, I named the Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office or RCO under music SAF/AQ or Air Force Acquisition as a critical administrative music element within Air Force UFO legacy programs. Specifically, I stated that RCO can take other Air Force involvement such as further subcomponents of Air Force Acquisition like AQL, AQX, music or AQR within UFO programs and package this involvement neatly with RCO as a controlling office built to operate within the {quote} gray areas of standard acquisition. In the project, music we explored Senior Executive Service member, director, and program executive officer for music the Rapid Capabilities Office, a man by the name of Randall G. Walden. And I identified Walden as a very senior, very active member within UFO legacy programs. Walden's CV is fascinating. Outside of RCO, Walden served numerous roles within the Air Force that one music could connect to UFO SAPs including involvement within a classified music flight test squadron commander out of Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada from 1997 to 1998 and technical director for the Air Force Acquisition music Directorate of Special Programs, SAF/AQL that I just mentioned Test and Evaluation or AF/TE, another critical component of my Air Force video I call the Hidden Wing. Perhaps alarm bells should be raised that on 7 June 2023, Walden was elected to the Aerospace Corporation's music Board of Trustees. I often state individuals within the United States government music that operate within UFO legacy programs within the DoD or IC often trade in their stars and stripes music for a pinstripe suit. I believe this is another instance in which Randall G. Walden continued his work within legacy program operations on the corporate side. >> music >> This time, an FFRDC called the Aerospace Corporation. I would also like to identify and paint one Mr. Edward C. Aldridge as a former music very senior, very critical legacy program individual. Aldridge's CV is legendary rivaled only by channel Rogue's Gallery member Donald M. Kerr. Aldridge served as US Secretary of the Air Force, music director of the NRO, under secretary of the Air Force, president of McDonnell Douglas, senior manager within LTV Aerospace, music an intriguing contractor that would become a CIA shell company called E-Systems that then transitioned under Raytheon that has started to pop up frequently in my research and of course, president and CEO of the Aerospace Corporation. I would like to go so far as to say Aldridge is a cornerstone figure to identifying the changing structure of UFO legacy programs that like I said in the intro have morphed to enjoy expanded special access program security controls. That in turn has partially led to the siloing of the programs subject to extreme compartmentalization. Now, if you are here and haven't watched my recent Air Force project, again, I strongly recommend stepping back music to watch that as we are about to observe several concepts cross over. Enthralling, I know, but stick with me here. I would like to reference an Air Force Historical Studies record titled {quote} SAF/AA, a history of the Office of the Administrative Assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force, {end quote}. If you have seen my Air Force video, you are likely licking your chops right now. But, if you haven't, this aforementioned SAF/AA is a critical office I mentioned is involved in senior leadership within Air Force UFO legacy programs. Indeed, in the project, I observed specific music offices within the SAF/AA, SAF/AAH, Sensitive Activities, and SAF/AAZ, Security Special Program Oversight and Info Protection, and connected these two office heads, Mr. Russell E. Wheeler music and Mr. William E. McClure, respectively, as the Air Force SES-2 gatekeeper Chris Mellon infamously released in 2024. music And let me just say this before we dive in. I am shocked. This SAF/AA history appears music in an unclassified historical document. Within the document that I am sure many would rather watch paint dry than read, we can find a section titled SAF/AA and {quote} outside music activities. This section referenced a 2018 interview with retired Administrative music Assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force, aka SAF/AA, William A. Davidson. Oh, and by the way, before we continue, Davidson would retire as SAF/AA to move on to the board of advisors for Percepta, a company with ties to Veritas Capital in the Kona Blue Lockheed AFSAP material music transfer. Percepta, alongside Lockheed Martin Enterprise Integration Group, appeared in this context music to be ideal corporations for Veritas Capital to acquire to try and slice off its own piece of the pie of UFO programs. And I'll recommend my good friend Rob Jones's excellent piece Sub Rosa, Organized Secrecy, to learn more there. In this interview, Davidson discussed several {quote} outside activities in which SAF/AA had been and continued to be involved in. Davidson stated there were {quote} several activities that were in other agencies over which the music Air Force had administrative control, {end quote}. Let me just say that again. Several activities that existed outside of the Air Force that SAF/AA wielded administrative and operational control over. This is what is known as a cover program. Davidson states here two such programs were started {quote} in Pete Aldridge's music day, {end quote}. Pete Aldridge, of course, is the nickname for Edward C. Aldridge. The {quote} outside activities did not show up in mission directives and operated exclusively music under the SAF/AA. And the real tipper here that these cover programs music are highly likely legacy programs. The fact Davidson stated these programs did not see involvement from SAF/AAZ, the literal compartment under SAF/AA tasked with security, special program oversight, and information music protection. So, Davidson stating these programs were {quote} started in Aldridge's day, well, I actually believe that is a bit of a misnomer here. These two specific outside activities were music started under Aldridge while Edward Aldridge was Under Secretary of the Air Force from 1981 to 1986. Funny enough, Aldridge had additional responsibilities as Under SecAF, including {quote} providing overall direction, guidance, music and supervision for Air Force space programs, including launch and on-orbit operations and planning for future space capabilities, {end quote}. And seeing how Aldridge was also director of the NRO whilst Under Secretary of the Air Force from 1981 to 1986, I think it is a very safe bet to assume these {quote} outside activities involved joint Air Force and NRO legacy activities. So, you see, these outside activities music were not necessarily created during this time epoch, 1981 to 1986. Instead, I believe that with supreme confidence, might I add, we can see a prime example of legacy programs morphing music and using cover offices and programs for protection. The late '70s and early '80s were a period of massive special access program reform and security expansion. The expansion of special access programs music accelerated drastically in this time period due to the need to compartment information for {quote} black programs involving stealth aircraft, music reconnaissance systems, and other high-risk technologies. So, if I'm not music making myself clear enough, this is directly what I am stating. While Under Secretary of the Air Force from 1981 to 1986, Edward C. Aldridge leveraged expanded music special access program security protocols for particularly sensitive information beyond standard top secret handling and morphed several cross-department UFO legacy programs to be housed as {quote} outside activities under SAF/AA, which served as a cover office. This is why these outside activities existed in other agencies while SAF/AA still had operational and administrative control while completely bypassing SAF/AAZ as an oversight mechanism. And this is exactly what I spoke music about in our intro, that legacy programs have leveraged expanded SAP security mechanisms to morph music and enjoy heightened program protection strategies, leading directly to the beyond tangled and complicated web of programs that exist today. And yes, I know this is a very brief investigation into such a critical topic, so one day I will make a full video on the history of legacy as I see it. But, I actually believe this thesis of Aldridge music and other legacy elements massaging UFO legacy programs to morph and take advantage of expanding SAP security controls can actually music connect right back to TRW and my prior work. Again, I stated these legacy reforms music likely occurred between 1981 and 1986. Well, what else occurred during this time epoch that we talked about earlier? Yes, the Strategic Defense Initiative, aka Star Wars, aka SDI. As I discussed earlier, this 1983 US research program launched by President Ronald Reagan aimed at developing a multi-layered defense against ballistic missile attacks through technologies including space-based interceptors, directed music energy weapons, and advanced sensors. Weapons that can attack the boost phase and the midcourse have to be able to see their targets. And because of the curve of the earth, that means being up in space. They also have to be able to attack from hundreds of miles away, which means that whatever they shoot has to get to its target very fast. This is why Star Wars is likely to employ weapons like this, lasers, particle beams, electromagnetic launchers. The first task of the Strategic Defense Initiative is finding out whether weapons like these can indeed be built and made to work. And as I have stated numerous times, I believe music SDI or Star Wars, as it was nicknamed, featured numerous back-channeled funds towards UFO legacy programs, possibly including funds directed to an alleged Nevada test site clandestine location music called the Defense Advanced Research Center, or DARS, and attempted to harness SDI's particle beam weapons programs and lethality and target hardening programs to offensively down UFOs. An X-ray laser is powerful because at its heart is a hydrogen bomb. As the bomb explodes, a fraction of its enormous power is channeled into focused beams of X-rays, each of which can be pointed at a Soviet booster. If the above thesis is indeed correct, which I strongly believe it is, 1983 Star Wars saw a massive initiative to fund and equip both new and existing UFO legacy programs. And I can't help but notice the parallel timing of Aldridge and SAF/AA's outside music activities and the Strategic Defense Initiative both taking place during a period of massive Cold War special access program security expansion that I strongly believe was fully taken advantage of by UFO legacy programs. Well, guess what was one of the leading contractors on SDI. music And that's right, you can probably guess, TRW. Within its acknowledged work on SDI, TRW focused on robust and comprehensive integrated space-centric architecture for national security. TRW enjoyed massive contracts with SDI, including a $340.5 million contract for the Brilliant Pebbles Initiative, and a $200 million Air Force contract for a compact music space qualifiable laser. I can't help but wonder if some of these contract vehicles were secretly back channeled to TRW's work on compartmented UFO legacy programs recently hidden under the SAP AA. After all, we all famously know misappropriation of funds are indeed a funding mechanism for UFO legacy programs. Well, so then how does I mean I don't want to cut you off, but how does a program like that get funded? I will give you generalities. I can get very specific in a closed session. But uh mis- misappropriation of funds and uh Does that mean that Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program, but it doesn't and it goes to something else? >> Yes, I have specific knowledge of that. Yep. Do you think US corporations are over- overcharging for certain tech they're selling to the US government and that additional money is going to programs? Correct, through something called IRAD. But how interesting is it that just a few years after Aldridge served as Under Secretary of the Air Force and Secretary of the Air Force, he would become the Aerospace Corporation's CEO for nearly 10 years? Walden and Aldridge, I believe both of these men served very senior UFO legacy program roles within an Air Force capacity. And I cannot help but to notice a pattern here that both went on to executive roles at the Aerospace Corporation. High-level figures within the US DOD/IC who also served senior roles within TRW have been accused of serving as top brass within UFO legacy programs for decades. From crash retrieval witnesses mustering the courage to speak in the 1970s up to today in 2026, these patterns are undeniable and of course we must investigate. Indeed, I personally vehemently believe from the 1950s up until today select TRW personnel have played a very major factor in shaping and overseeing Northrop Grumman's role within UFO legacy programs from a DOD/IC oversight level. As I understand it, Fritz, you were working for the United States Air Force. The story began late one night in 1953 at Frenchman's Flat, Nevada. A man had been working as a consultant on blast effects of atom bombs when he was suddenly ordered to report for a new mission. What happened after that? We were put on a a bus which the windows were all completely covered with curtains and in some cases black paper taped to the windows. And we're driven for 3 or 4 hours and we're not sure just where we were going. Several of us tried to uh guess where we might have been. We at that time came to the conclusion it was in the area of Kingman, Arizona. Viewers of my channel will recall the 1953 Kingman, Arizona crash retrieval case. That is one of my all-time favorite cases >> music >> and in my opinion a very real instance of a crashed non-human technical vehicle with onboard biologics. I have said several times lately that I would like to revisit the Kingman case, but ultimately I am waiting for a few more pieces to come together music before another two-plus hour exploration. But let's briefly revisit this case here. Arthur Stansel Jr. serves as the primary witness for the Kingman crash. In 1973, Stansel would disclose his encounter to UFO researcher Raymond Fowler music and even sign an affidavit swearing his testimony as true, in which Fowler referenced Stansel as the pseudonym Fritz Werner. In short, Stansel claimed in the spring of 1953 he served as an engineer connected with the Operation Upshot Knothole nuclear tests >> music >> that were conducted at the nuclear test site in Nevada. This aspect of Stansel's testimony is an established fact. As we can both observe Stansel listed as an employed engineer under the mechanical branch music of the Air Research and Development Command ARDC out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base with a specialty in a lighting devices and landing gear. Indeed, Stansel can be found in the official Armed Forces Special Weapons Project >> music >> Upshot Knothole documents as personnel within the Special Study Section out of Air Material Command requested by Air Research and Development Command. If you don't recognize Air Material Command and Air Research and Development Command ARDC, that's no problem. music However, I do again recommend watching my Air Force project to learn how these specific former Air Force major commands connect to the UFO legacy program operations of today and the music Kingman crash. In short, Stansel claimed in his affidavit music on 21 May 1953 he was summoned to assist in the investigation of a crashed unknown object in the vicinity of Kingman, Arizona. After being bused in on a large bus with blacked-out windows, music Stansel observed two large floodlights illuminating a crashed vehicle that was roughly music 30 ft in diameter and oval shaped, constructed of an unfamiliar metal that resembled brushed aluminum. There was also music a tent which I didn't get to look into, but one fellow whom I did have to talk with briefly music until they told us to stop talking. Uh said that he had seen two bodies inside the tent, two alien-looking music bodies. It was brown, leathery skin, had a silver music like a cap on without a bill. Like a skull cap? Yes, like a skull cap. Again, the Kingman story is music so fascinating and a crash retrieval I consider very real. So please look forward to me covering it once again. Stansel would include several names within his music testimony including the illustrious Dr. Eric Henry Wang as a UFO crash retrieval reverse engineering team lead. Wang was a figure we discussed >> music >> and uncovered new revelations on at length in my Air Force project. Stansel would go music on to state he was summoned to the crash site by one Dr. Ed Doll who would tell Stansel he would quote go on a special job end quote. >> music >> In Stansel's own diary dated 20 May 1953 he would write quotes, "Spent most of the day on Frenchman's Flat surveying cubicles and supervising welding of plate rider bridge sensors which cracked after last shot. Drank brew in eve, read, got funny call from Dr. Doll about 1000. I'm going on a special job music tomorrow." end quote. I have always found it intriguing Dr. Ed Doll as the man who coordinated personnel and engineers like Stansel to the Kingman crash site ultimately got very little exposure in the case whilst figures like Wang drew great interest music from the public. After all, both of these men were labeled by Stansel as imperative to the UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering effort. Researcher Raymond Fowler even attempted to track down Doll with little to no success. While figures like Bill Moore who admitted to operating within UFO circles on behalf of the intelligence community seemingly ran interference against Fowler contacting Doll himself. So why don't we investigate this enigmatic figure? Dr. Edward Bushnell Doll lived from 1912 to 1998. Dr. Doll earned his PhD in electrical engineering before serving a critical role on the Manhattan Project's Project Alberta, a section of the Manhattan Project that operated a three-fold mission, the design, procurement, and assembly of an atomic bomb shape for delivery by air to be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That is roughly where easily accessible knowledge on Doll stops. But by piecing together newspaper clippings and print articles on Doll from his lifetime, we can learn so much more. Following the Manhattan Project, music Doll became the chairman of the physics department at Stanford University and a senior member of the Stanford Research Institute also known as SRI International. Today, SRI performs client-sponsored research and development for government agencies amongst other ventures and is truly infamous in UFO lore. Stanford Research Institute was named as a critical research pillar in T. Townsend music Brown's 1952 proposed Project Winter Haven that explored long-range practical applications of electrogravitics and I know Jesse Michaels is punching the air right now. SRI International also served as the primary research institution behind the Stargate project, a multi-agency project music that utilized multiple program names to explore psychic phenomena especially for military applications. This psychic program was majorly directed by super spook Hal Puthoff. And of course in the early 1990s music this research was handed over and continued by SAIC or Science Applications International Corporation. Whenever I hear about the CIA and other agencies music sudden interest and mobilization into psychic phenomena, I can't help but to think back to this music David Grusch quote. Well, there was like CIA docs about consciousness and like weird remote music viewing stuff. I mean besides the Stargate program uh that were released in the foyer reading room on CIA's website, too, that are pretty trippy where like, "Wow, CIA's looking into some really interesting stuff." I mean, they're a hardcore intel agency. Uh what's going on there? So, yeah. But, it makes sense that they would kind of have to find out if that's true or not. Like, you can't ignore that if you're really doing your job. If your job is intelligence, like, okay, like, let's look at this. an aspect of the phenomenon because it's like a crash out from the crash out from the crash retrieval program. Like, "Hey, I need you to look into some weird stuff because it might be the key unlock for something that we got in a warehouse, you know?" >> Yeah. So. Woah. Anyways, music we can see on 27 March 1953, just 2 months before the Kingman crash, Stanford Research music Institute, aka SRI International, supplied key scientific assistance for the upcoming spring atomic tests. And who else but Dr. Ed Doll was tasked with serving as director of a military effects group for this series of tests, Operation Upshot-Knothole, of course. A joint DOD and Atomic Energy Commission test organization. In 1959, music we can learn quite a bit more about Doll. Dr. Doll served as technical music director for two major special weapons programs for the Armed Forces Special Weapons music Project, or AFSWP. And if you have heard of AFSWP before, you may be thinking back to my Sandia Project. Indeed, within January of 1957, 29 January 1957 to be exact, US Secretary of War Robert P. Patterson and Secretary of the Navy, original accused MJ-12 member and likely murder victim James V. Forrestal, music established the Armed Forces Special Weapons Project, or AFSWP, a joint Army and Navy venture to manage nuclear weapons. AFSWP and Los Alamos C Division established operations at Sandia Base. AFSWP was also named as a critical UFO crash retrieval response element outlined in the disputed interplanetary phenomenon unit documents. Alas, in the Sandia Project of mine, I music discussed AFSWP's long evolution into Ditra, or the Defense Threat Reduction music Agency, and actually connected this evolution to the testimony of Dylan Borland. On Weaponized podcast, Borland referenced Ditra >> music >> as containing all Atomic Energy Commission UFO files that concluded some UFOs were extraterrestrial. I wonder if Doll and Kingman were included in these files. When Congress passed the archives legislation where all the agencies were supposed to round up all their documents, I had a wonderful conversation on my last day, and I'm sure it was just coincidental, the person in charge of collecting all of the information from Ditra dealing with extraterrestrials and, as he put it, {quote} "unquote little green men," happened to sit next to me at my computer terminal and began pulling all of the documents on my system and the systems in our skiff. Interesting fact for you was that he came into the old Atomic Energy documents from way back when, and there was intelligence and information in those that discussed what you said, which is this has been around with them and that even back then they had a similar outlook that this isn't exactly for our benefit. So, even outside of Stansell naming Doll as a pivotal figure in Kingman, he is already connected to several institutions implicated in UFO legacy programs. In 1959, we can also learn that Dr. Doll was elected vice president of the Space Technology Laboratories after joining STL in 1955. Remember that STL was a subsidiary and shortly later division within TRW that would lend personnel to the spin-off of the Aerospace Corporation. By 1966, Doll was promoted to senior vice president within TRW Systems Group, the renamed TRW division that was once Space Technology Laboratories. TRW Systems Group spearheaded TRW's entire electronics and defense sector music and was instrumental in the development of US ballistic missiles, aka ICBMs, and spacecraft for the US space race, including designing and developing the Apollo 11 lunar module. By 1971, Doll integrated into TRW's corporate side as a group assistant general manager. This position Doll held until 1977, where he retired from TRW as executive vice president for TRW Systems Group. Of course, if you haven't guessed by now, I vehemently believe TRW was instrumental in UFO legacy program operations. But, for the sake of specificity, one must ask here. This TRW Systems Group, formerly TRW's Space Technology Laboratories, in which music Doll served as senior vice president, that was so instrumental to NASA and music the Atlas and Titan missile programs, did Systems Group within TRW engage with UFO legacy activities? Well, of course, I certainly believe so. And like everything I discuss on this channel, we shouldn't be able to look at the surface of TRW or any agency or entity, for that matter, and see the face of UFO legacy programs. Like the Air Force, NRO, or any major contractor, TRW was divided into numerous organizational pieces, and TRW Systems Group was no exception. music TRW Systems Group was comprised of three key units. Space and Electronics, which produced music spacecraft systems, high energy lasers, avionics, electro-optical and instrumentation systems, and telecommunication systems. And Systems, which provided systems engineering and integration, information technology solutions, and command, control, and communication systems. Of course, both of these entities are now part of Northrop Grumman, but TRW Systems Group's last major unit, Aeronautics, is now owned by Raytheon. Systems Group was divided into several further sub-organizations of interest to us. And these include Systems Engineering and Integration Division that did plenty of contracting with the CIA, including work on the SAFE Project. Space Vehicles Division, Systems Laboratories, and of course, it should come as no surprise, Special Projects. Led at the time of this appendix on screen, 1965, by TRW Chief Scientist Bill Carson. TRW Systems Group Special Projects was instrumental for the development of NRO Program B's SIGINT, or signals intelligence satellites. NRO Program B, I covered at length within my NRO project. Program B saw joint NRO and CIA Directorate of Science and Technology coordination on DS&T's satellite reconnaissance elements. The ground element of this project to this day is stationed at Pine Gap, Australia, that some refer to as the Aussies' Area 51. From 1982 to 1989, the director of NRO Program B was one Mr. R. Everett Heineman, who was infamously named by Admiral Bobby Ray Inman to NASA mission specialist Bob Eshler, as the music guy to speak to regarding UFO crash retrieval teams, and more on him later. Special Projects and TRW Systems Group at large was involved in endless classified programs, >> music >> including designing and building Defense Support Program, or DSP, satellites, which I have actually connected to both observing UFOs in the past, as well as connected the Defense Support Program, or again DSP, to the testimony of Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt and DOE NEST UFO crash retrieval teams. I am utterly fascinated by what other revelations Dr. Doll and TRW Systems Group may hold. Three decades ago, when I was new to the intelligence community, I don't think this is something that I could have imagined myself doing. When I started out in the IC, I literally did not know what to expect. After college, as a freshly minted engineer, I left the Midwest for the more exciting and professionally promising East Coast. I didn't have much money or any income. So, my parents let me stay with them on their live-aboard boat in Annapolis while I looked for a job. It's a good plan. I saw an ad for an ocean engineer at TRW, the company that was later bought by Northrop Grumman. The ad was remarkably short on any details, but I saw it. I'm an engineer, and I live on a boat. So, I've got this ocean engineering thing covered. And that's how my career in the IC started, as an engineer designing high-tech and highly classified systems for the Navy. I would now like to shift focus to David Grusch's recent legendary interview with Megan Kelly. To hear Grusch speak publicly is a rare treat, and this sub-15-minute interview is really no exception. But, like I have said with every single Grusch appearance, if we listen in closely, there is so much actionable data delivered in a small package, and again, music this interview is no exception. After the bold and brazen attempts for retired Air Force Lieutenant General, former Director of National Intelligence, Director of the DIA, and Director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, USDI&S, James Clapper, to appear on the Age of Disclosure documentary alongside his good friend Luis Elizondo, Grusch music said this on Kelly. And I did want to point out uh General Clapper, the former DNI, in the documentary. Um I certainly applaud him for at least speaking out in general. Um he goes on, I believe, I've only seen clips of Age of Disclosure, not the whole thing, um where there was a program when he was the Director of National Intelligence uh where they were tracking these vehicles over Area 51, of course the famed uh classified test location. And I'm a little bit disappointed as a fellow Air Force officer, and certainly General Clapper rate rose to the ranks as three-star general, >> music >> uh that's all he said in the documentary, that that was uh a program he was aware of. Uh in fact, uh without being inappropriate, I will say that General Clapper was well aware of the crash retrieval issue, managed the crash retrieval issue, and when he was the DNI, USDI, and DIA Director, he placed people in critical roles uh to manage this issue uh both publicly and >> music >> I'll just say not uh non-publicly as well. And I'll allow the audience uh distill what I'm saying uh at the at the risk of being inappropriate or going too far with my uh discussion. So, uh General Clapper, Stephanie Sullivan, other folks in the IC that are well aware of this issue, that were in rooms discussing this issue, >> music >> um I ask you to be um greater leaders on this. I should not be the only former uh military officer and intelligence official uh that is uh being completely candid with the information that they were exposed to. So, >> music >> um perhaps we should >> Once again, James Clapper understates what he knows and what he's done. Well, I am exactly the audience that will distill what Grusch was saying there. Grusch called for Clapper, Stephanie O'Sullivan, and hypothetically, allegedly, in my opinion, Luis Elizondo, to come forward and be transparent with their exposure and involvement in UFO legacy activities. Indeed, Grusch outright stated music Clapper managed the UFO crash retrieval issue with the support of his underlings, including Stephanie music O'Sullivan. To recall my point with Elizondo, I believe Clapper, O'Sullivan, and Elizondo were involved in an Obama administration effort to establish an incoming political candidate as the {quote} disclosure president, as Grusch spoke on in this interview. And yes, of music course, that candidate would have been Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, this uh subject has been a victim of a lot of, I'll call it uh domestic information operation, something I discussed initially publicly in 2023, and there's certainly been this Game of Thrones activity with multiple factions of the deep state uh in a bipartisan manner. Uh the Republicans and the Democrats are both guilty, >> music >> um and even in a recent previous administration, in the Obama administration, there was certainly um actions taken uh strategically uh to music help uh particular uh presidential candidate uh possibly if if this um subject were to become normalized and they got elected president. So, there's been a lot of gamesmanship and a lot of uh I'll call it House of Cards type type activities in the past. But the fake AATIP cover program is not the topic of today. So, let's narrow in on one Mrs. Stephanie O'Sullivan. I had the good fortune to be there a long time along with my superb deputy, Stephanie O'Sullivan, >> music >> uh very accomplished senior from CIA. Clapper's protege served music as Principal Deputy Director for National Intelligence from 2011 to 2017, where O'Sullivan managed day-to-day operations of the Intelligence Community, assisting the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper. music Intelligence integration is the prerequisite for reaching the 9/11 Commission's goal that we act as a community. For me, after 30 years of work at TRW, with the Office of Naval Intelligence and in CIA, I saw just how important it was that we get this right. So, I jumped at the chance to be at the center of that work and to work for Jim Clapper. He is probably the most selfless leader that I've ever worked with, and I've worked with some real legends. That's a somewhat unique path that I've taken to be standing here today. So, just to be clear and to set expectations, I need to make one point uh about the three and a half decades of work that I just covered. I've worked on the design and deployment of some pretty amazing systems and led teams to put incredible technology into operations. Now, I cannot speak for Grusch here, music but I do not think, nor do I think he thinks, for a single second every single Director of National Intelligence and their PDDNI, currently Tulsi Gabbard and Aaron Lucas, serves senior roles within UFO legacy programs. No, indeed, I believe, as I would wager David Grusch does too, but again, I do not speak for him. Both Clapper and O'Sullivan had prior exposure and need-to-know access in the programs before music serving senior roles within the ODNI. I believe Clapper specifically recruited O'Sullivan as his PDDNI to wield dual-hatted roles together, music senior ODNI personnel and senior snorts legacy program personnel. I mean, in 2011, according to congressional record, it was a {quote} significant and welcome development {end quote} music that Clapper personally recommended President Obama nominate O'Sullivan for PDDNI. music I will go so far as to say Clapper is likely the closest thing legacy programs have had as a singular controlling figure since Dick Cheney left in 2009. music Clapper and O'Sullivan's roles within legacy programs cannot be understated. And don't take my word here, listen back to David Grusch. Prior to PDDNI, O'Sullivan served as Deputy Director of the CIA >> music >> and Deputy Director of CIA's Directorate of Science and Technology, aka DS&T, for music four years. And by this point, it goes without saying, but as I have discussed numerous times, music the CIA DS&T Deputy Director is a significant figure within the UFO legacy program structure. Former Deputy Directors I have spoken on include Doug Wolf, Glenn Gaffney, and Don Myrick. Please enjoy my NRO project to learn more about each of these individuals and CIA DS&T's critical alleged involvement music in NRO legacy programs. And remember that name, Doug Wolf. He's not a nice guy. In this project earlier, we discussed music Edward C. Aldridge of the Aerospace Corporation and Under SecAF and SecAF, and compared his legendary CV to Donald Kerr. O'Sullivan's CV is the only one that comes close to these two gentlemen. And this is music outside of her position as PDDNI, CIA Deputy Director, music and CIA DS&T Deputy Director. Perhaps then, it should come as no surprise O'Sullivan joined the board of the Aerospace Corporation in 2017 to lend a {quote} wealth of knowledge and technical expertise from the intelligence music community as well as the military and aerospace sectors {end quote}. By 2021, up until present, O'Sullivan has served as the Chairman of the Aerospace Corporation. Oh, but that's not all, and far from it. Stephanie O'Sullivan also serves on the Board of Directors of Battelle Memorial Institute, a channel regular and likely UFO legacy program contractor since at least the late 1940s. O'Sullivan also serves on the Board of music Directors for Booz Allen Hamilton, another channel regular, and Huntington Ingalls Industries, a contractor spun off from Northrop Grumman in 2011 that is the largest military shipbuilding company in the entire United States. O'Sullivan additionally formally served on the Board of Advisors for Oak Ridge National Labs, a DOE music and NNSA sponsored FFRDC national lab that Sean Kirkpatrick ran off to post-AARO, and music a national lab I have discussed amongst the larger Y-12 complex as housing a vast underground facility studying the {quote} skin of recovered UFOs. >> music >> Exhausted yet with O'Sullivan? I hope not, cuz we're going to keep going. The former PDDNI also serves on the Board of Trustees music for IQT, aka In-Q-Tel. In-Q-Tel is better known as the CIA's venture capital firm, {quote} incorporated music in February 1999 after congressional approval of a CIA proposal to spread music the insertion of mature technologies, support rapid development of mission-critical applications, and enhance the CIA's ability to attract the skills and expertise vital to its success {end quote}. Take a moment to guess who O'Sullivan's co-worker was at an executive level at In-Q-Tel. Well, that would be ex-executive vice president music and senior fellow for In-Q-Tel, and former CIA DS&T deputy director himself, the music infamous Glenn Gaffney. To say Gaffney is infamous in UFO lore is an understatement. Gaffney's claim to fame is shutting down the late 2000s Kona Blue PSAP, music or Perspective Special Access Program UFO Material Transfer. That was supposed to be conducted between Lockheed Martin and the AASAP program and Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space music Studies, or BASS. Very intriguing to see both O'Sullivan and Gaffney, who both held the position of CIA DS&T deputy director, end up together at an executive music level at In-Q-Tel. Lastly, around 2018, O'Sullivan joined the board of Peraton. Peraton houses the former Lockheed Martin Enterprise music Integration Group, which held much of Lockheed Martin's black programs. And Peraton purchased Northrop Grumman's federal IT and mission support services music for $3.4 billion in 2021. My good friend Rob Jones has written an excellent piece music on how Veritas Capital, through Peraton, attempted to slice off a piece of its own legacy program pie and procure the Kona Blue UFO materials mentioned above through a series of complex personnel and company acquisitions. Indeed, O'Sullivan shares Peraton's board with former NGA director Robert Cardillo, a man who Rob Jones has wagered, and a man that I am certain was involved in blocking Lockheed Martin from divesting itself of UFO materials to AASAP. Okay, following CIA deputy director, DS&T deputy director, and music PD DNI, we see HII, Oak Ridge National Labs, Peraton, In-Q-Tel, music Aerospace, Battelle Memorial Institute, and Booz Allen Hamilton on O'Sullivan's CV. Now, let's see what she did before these positions. Stephanie's career seems to be largely data masked before joining the CIA in 1995. By data masking here, I mean the explicit definition of the process music of obscuring, anonymizing, or pseudonymizing sensitive, classified, or personally identifiable information for public music and unclassified consumption. I have seen the application of data masking many times before, specifically surrounding figures involved in the hidden wing I outlined in my Air Force Legacy Programs video. Such data masking can be as simple as excluding positions and work history on an individual CV, or using a corporate or USG position as cover for intelligence agency in clandestine music work. That second application can be thought of as similar to a CIA NOC, or non-official cover. I believe examples can be seen in the history of Dawn Meyerriecks, an individual I have targeted as a senior legacy program individual. Like O'Sullivan, Meyerriecks has also served as CIA DS&T deputy director. And additionally, from 2009 to 2013, Meyerriecks served under Clapper and O'Sullivan as music ADNI AT&F, or Assistant Deputy Director for National Intelligence for Acquisition Technologies and Facilities. A position that, alongside its DOD counterpart, the USD A&S, or Under Secretary for Defense for Acquisition music and Sustainment, harnesses administrative and operational control over NRO acquisition programs. I believe data masking can be found in Meyerriecks' work as a senior VP for AOL, transitioning into her own consulting LLC, then immediately jumping into work as music ADNI AT&F, a very high position within the IC that I believe is imperative to UFO legacy activity oversight. >> music >> It is a possibility Meyerriecks' CV leaves out her exposure to clandestine exotic USAPs pre-ADNI AT&F, just as it is possible Meyerriecks' former corporate position was interwoven with CIA. After all, post-ADNI AT&F, Meyerriecks leapfrogged once again, this time into the role of CIA DS&T deputy director for nearly 9 years. I think both possibilities here with Meyerriecks are feasible. And of course, there is someone that ran a parallel track to Meyerriecks. Someone Meyerriecks worked alongside music when she was technical staff in the early 1980s at where else but TRW? Stephanie O'Sullivan. As I said, O'Sullivan's CV from 1982 to 1985 is very sparse by places of work. Thus, I theorize her true work was indeed data masked. You can find almost nothing about O'Sullivan's work at TRW online besides a few tiny mentions. According to a 2018 music Missouri Science and Technology article titled, quote, Stephanie O'Sullivan, Life After Intelligence, end quote, music the former accomplished PD DNI joined TRW around 1982. Seen as Meyerriecks worked at TRW from 1981 to 1993, yes, the two had 2 years of overlap. We can find nothing else but some intriguing information music from O'Sullivan's board description for Battelle Memorial Institute. Here we can learn that O'Sullivan served in an music oversight role for TRW, directing a quote, series of sensitive projects for TRW, end quote. That's it. Nothing else. All we know is that from 1982 to 1995, O'Sullivan worked in sensitive projects for TRW, and served in the Office of Naval Intelligence, or ONI, on sensitive research and development programs. Office of Naval Intelligence? Yes, of course. Go watch my Naval Project to learn more. And you know who else was in ONI? That's right, Jay Stratton. Someone ought to ask Jay Stratton why David Grusch had to discuss O'Sullivan before Stratton did. Better yet, someone should ask Stratton why the ONI and Navy at large were excluded from the Age of Disclosures' false legacy program outline. Lastly, I want to cover one more figure that I believe shaped the direction of TRW's legacy program efforts, and continue this clandestine work within Northrop Grumman into the late 2000s. Perhaps this music last figure can bridge us towards analyzing TRW's scandals and Northrop's buyout of TRW in the early 2000s that I believe are hallmark to understanding Northrop's involvement in legacy operations today. Meet Richard L. Haver, who joined TRW in 1999 as vice president and director for intelligence programs, and retired from Northrop Grumman in 2010 music as vice president for intelligence programs. A labeled protégé of Vice President Dick Cheney, I find Haver's career history and relationships prior to TRW and Northrop Grumman rather intriguing. But for a quick reference, VP for intelligence programs at Northrop Grumman/TRW is a mirror role to Lockheed Martin's VP position for intelligence programs. This Lockheed position was formerly held by Ms. Mary Kaye Sturtevant, who additionally served as Lockheed Martin VP for Government Affairs. I have talked about Sturtevant so much and understand, due to her agency ties, specifically CIA DS&T and exposure to UFO legacy programs, Sturtevant liaised between Lockheed Martin's Jim Ryder and CIA DS&T deputy director Glenn Gaffney when Ryder wished to divest UFO materials through the Kona Blue PSAP. Therefore, I find great value in exploring the same VP position in a rival prime contractor, Northrop Grumman, that has an equally impressive background to Sturtevant. Haver served a tremendous career within the US Navy, climbing the ranks from active duty to a civilian intelligence analyst music in the Anti-Submarine Warfare Systems Branch at the Naval Intelligence Support Center, to eventually serving as deputy director of Naval Intelligence from 1985 to 1989. And it is highly likely whilst deputy director within ONI, Haver and O'Sullivan crossed paths. Interesting to me, Dick Cheney music himself, in Dave Grusch's words, Darth Vader, hand-selected Haver in 1989 to the position of Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for music Intelligence Policy. This Assistant to the SecDef position was a newly created position by Cheney to allow Haver to serve as Cheney's special aid with broad authority over military intelligence policy. Indeed, in this position, Haver reviewed DOD intelligence, counterintelligence, security, and covert action activities, as well as monitored intelligence policy and made recommendations to the Defense Secretary and others for necessary changes in intelligence music programs. I also find it rather intriguing this Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Policy position created by Cheney was also held from 1997 to 1998 by Christopher Mellon, a man whom I do not believe has been completely music forthcoming on his exposure/knowledge regarding UFO legacy activities. Seen as Cheney operated as the head of the snake for UFO legacy programs whilst VP for George Bush from 2001 to 2009 and likely served the same role years prior when Secretary of Defense from 1989 to 1993. I am willing to make a strong music wager that Haver as Cheney's special aid with intimate access into clandestine intelligence programs was a critical member in Cheney's inner circle of legacy activity personnel. From 1992 to 1995 Haver would then serve as the music executive director for intelligence community affairs. And in 1998 he would assume the duties of chief of staff of the National Intelligence Council and music deputy to the assistant director of Central Intelligence for analysis and production. By 1999 Haver would move on to TRW and thus on to Northrop Grumman. However, I can't just state enough how intriguing it is that Dick Cheney, the last man to rule the UFO legacy program portfolio with an iron fist, handpicked Haver for high-level intelligence matters. Indeed, whilst spearheading business development for TRW's intelligence activities under their systems and information technology group and space and electronics group Haver was again selected by then Vice President Dick Cheney in the early 2000s to head the administration's music transition team for intelligence and then selected by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld as the special assistant to the Secretary of Defense for intelligence. So, yeah, during his tenure in TRW and Northrop Grumman music Haver was handpicked again by Darth Vader himself and Donald Rumsfeld to assist with music extremely senior intelligence matters. There are no direct links between Haver music and UFO legacy programs but from ONI to TRW to Northrop Grumman to Dick Cheney I think music an extremely strong argument can be made. So, you see I believe an individual like Dr. Ed Doll used his expertise in legacy program operations while performing UFO retrieval and reverse engineering operations for Joint music Atomic Energy Commission and Department of Defense task forces and continued this work in the private sector for TRW Systems Group from 1955 music to 1977. And on the other side of the same coin someone like Stephanie O'Sullivan was exposed to UFO legacy programs in her weird music data masked {quote} oversight for a series of sensitive projects for TRW {end quote} role that began in the early 1980s and continued this work as PDDNI under James Clapper music for legacy programs. And in a similar vein we have Richard Haver who served very senior roles within the ONI and intelligence community before serving as a senior VP within TRW and music Northrop Grumman where in the midst of his corporate service he was handpicked by VP Dick Cheney to help with intelligence transition for the new administration. Remember that all of this is now owned by Northrop Grumman. music Whatever secret legacy information, materials, and projects Dr. Doll took to TRW Systems Group and whatever legacy exposure Stephanie O'Sullivan took with her from TRW to ONI to agency to eventually PDDNI to serve in legacy programs under Clapper all of it owned by Northrop Grumman now in its mission systems and space systems division. A recurring subject of my channel is to investigate funding mechanisms for UFO legacy program activities. After all, according to the excellent work of Catherine Austin Fitts we are likely looking at figures in the trillions of US dollars up to 21 trillion in fact from just 1995 to 2015 funneled away to the US black budget specifically according to Fitts to {quote} clandestine military research and development. Indeed, in her 2004 paper titled The Black Budget of the United States former assistant secretary of housing and urban development Catherine Austin Fitts would write {quotes} large proportion of the nation's wealth is being illegally diverted into secret unaccountable channels to support clandestine domestic military R&D {end quote}. According to David Grusch's 2023 music sworn testimony a primary funding mechanism for UFO legacy programs is misappropriation of funds. Well, so that how does I mean I don't want to cut you off but how does a program like that get funded? I will give you generalities. I can get very specific in a closed session but a mis- misappropriation of funds. Indeed, I have explored several avenues of misappropriation of funds I wager connect directly to UFO legacy programs including massive scandals surrounding the National Reconnaissance Office and {quote} rampant mismanagement of funds including carryover appropriations also known as forward funding that occurred in the early 1990s when the NRO was officially are unobligated or unspent funds leftover from a previous budget period that are carried forward and used in a future budget period to cover costs for the same or other projects. In my naval programs video I have also explored various contractors including the Grumman Corporation pre-merger overcharging for simple parts like socket wrenches or ashtrays that may be connected to legacy funding. Indeed, in private settings I have also been exposed to several further funding schemes including literal cash transactions. In that sworn testimony under questions prompted by Representative Moskowitz Grusch went on to say this. Does that mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program but it doesn't and it goes to something else? >> Yes, I have specific knowledge of that. Yep. Do you think US corporations are over- overcharging for certain tech they're selling to the US government and that additional money is going to programs? Correct through something called IRAD. And I have discussed IRAD or independent research and development before specifically in my Lockheed project. So, let's quickly recap before music expanding significantly on this concept. What is IRAD mentioned by David Grusch here? IRAD is a technical research and development effort by industry that is not sponsored by or required in performance of a contract. Such projects consist within basic R&D, applied R&D, development and system and other concept formulation studies {quote} contractors can recover a portion of their IRAD costs by including them as an allowable indirect expense on government contracts to the extent that those costs are allocable and reasonable. In addition, DOD permits major defense contractors to include allowable IRAD costs as indirect expenses on defense contracts to the extent that the IRAD activities are potentially of interest to DOD {end quote}. In more simple term IRAD consists of R&D activities conducted by private contractors that have potential interest to the DOD. So, essentially Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop, Raytheon, General Dynamics get to do whatever they want and bill the DOD for it. In the realm of UFO legacy activities this allows Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman for example to freely pursue classified operations without traditional DOD oversight and bill the DOD for such work. Notice though that I said traditional channels. I strongly believe no prime contractors hide UFO funds through IRAD. Almost all contractors still adhere to my UFO legacy program framework and operate such work under DOD special access programs or intelligence community controlled access elements of the DOD, IC, and R&D masters federally funded research and development centers or FFRDCs. Indeed, in 2023, 2022, and 2021 Northrop Grumman's IRAD expenses totaled 1.2 billion dollars, 1.2 billion music dollars again, and 1.1 billion dollars respectively. 3.5 billion US dollars music in 3 years. But for actionable information I have no interest in current IRAD costs. No, instead I am interested to evaluate both Northrop Grumman and TRW's IRAD expenses in the late 90s and early 2000s. Remember what I said about David Grusch's rare media appearances. If we listen closely we can learn so much. Uh early on the global war on terror a lot of the money that was initially given to these companies was essentially reallocated uh for overseas contingency operations and these contractors essentially uh started to do their own thing if you will something called IRAD internal research and development and uh privately they continued certain things that actually the government was trying to cancel as it relates to the subject and they went off um and retrieved and exploited things essentially on their own uh and only loosely accountable back uh to their government handlers. Let me just go ahead and say that again plainly. David Grusch states some contractors in the onset of the global war on terror began using IRAD to do their own thing, retrieving and exploiting UFOs on their own, breaking away and staying only loosely accountable to their government handlers. At first glance here, you may think Grusch's comments conflict greatly with the UFO legacy program outline I propose, in which defense industrial base prime contractors operate at the bottom of the organizational pyramid, with only select need-to-know personnel, like SAP security directors and corporate directors for special programs and other specific senior executives read in. I still vehemently maintain this structure is indeed true. In fact, I will go so far as to state David Grusch isn't stating all contractors used IRAD to kickstart their own UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs, but indeed a few specific contractors did this. And I believe the biggest contractor to build their own unaccountable set of legacy activities is music Northrop Grumman. I always found it strange. Over the past 2 years, I music have met with and spoken to nearly a dozen individuals who claim to have worked and I believe have worked first hand within UFO legacy program operations. These individuals often name the FFRDCs, pretty much always MITRE as one, and prime contractors attached to the programs in an RDT&E capacity. And these almost always include Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and occasionally General Dynamics. Northrop Grumman is also mentioned by these individuals, but often as an outlier or in a capacity removed from other prime contractors. Indeed, in my last project, I outlined the Hidden Wing, a massive set of programs conducted on the western ranges, including the Edwards 412th Test Wing, Nevada Test and Training Range, and Utah Test music and Training Range, that operates under Air Force Test and Evaluation, or AFTEE, to perform test and evaluation on recovered non-human vehicles that humans have found a way to interface with, as well as alien reproduction vehicles and airframes harnessing music derivative technologies of unknown origin. After speaking to individuals who stood in the electromagnetically sealed test chamber that held recovered non-human craft, I learned that principal engineers operated on site, mostly hailing from Lockheed Martin and Boeing. Indeed, according to my Hidden Wing understanding, many man-made derivative vehicles were physically driven in from Air Force Plant 42, that of course houses Lockheed Martin, Boeing, music and Northrop Grumman within its GOCO, or government-owned contractor-operated institution. In a similar vein, I'm aware of a major US Army initiative in the early 2000s music that sought to adapt non-human technology to air and ground vehicles to strengthen the US warfighter. Boeing operated as a primary contractor project manager for this program, with Lockheed and other contractors such as SAIC engaged with the effort. Both the Hidden Wing and Army initiative, what is largely missing as a major principal contractor? Yes, Northrop Grumman. This isn't to say Northrop isn't involved, quite the opposite in fact. I believe Northrop Grumman is the prime contractor most involved with clandestine UFO retrieval and reverse engineering operations. I say this to theorize that Northrop Grumman may be the rare exception here that seized an opportunity in the early 2000s to music operate outside of the strict legacy chain of command with loose affiliations to agency music and their government handlers. Me personally, I view Northrop Grumman as a terrifying entity when it comes to legacy activities. And somehow Northrop has managed to recruit alleged monsters to staff their special programs security teams, including Terry Phillips and some others who aren't necessarily monsters we will explore soon. And I feel this way because I believe Northrop's expanded freedoms within the programs sees aggressive program protection strategies by the contractor. I would wager there are others with firsthand experience watching this video right now that strongly agree with my thesis here. But this statement regarding Northrop harnessing IRAD to seize their own slice of the legacy pie, what if we had some tangible data to work with regarding Northrop Grumman and TRW? And what if TRW had proven instances of misappropriation of funds through IRAD around this time of interest? A good idea by itself may go nowhere. It needs other good ideas. >> music >> Technology from a company called TRW makes the most of ideas by helping them work together. And working together is the best idea in the world. Tomorrow is taking shape at a company called TRW. music The US Global War on Terror began following September 11th, 2001. Therefore, let us investigate plus and minus a handful of years to find interesting information regarding TRW and Northrop Grumman's IRAD activities and US government-wide IRAD trends. Assessing reports from the University of Maryland published in 2015, we can see from 2000 to 2005 yearly IRAD spending increased 26% from around 3 billion a year to 3.8 billion a year. Though this should not come as a surprise, seen music as spending and the amount of money in contractor pockets goes way up while the US engages in war, and the war on terror was no exception. According to a 2002 DOD report music titled DOD Independent Research and Development Program Report, we can observe that in the fiscal year of 2000, thousands of IRAD programs were in existence, costing approximately 3 billion dollars annually. Here we can learn that thanks to sweeping DOD changes enacted in 1991, contractors went from being required to submit IRAD plans for DOD review and approval with spending ceilings established on the amount of IRAD costs that each contractor could recover as indirect expenses under defense contracts, to contractors enjoying the option to operate without DOD approval requirements and reimbursement ceilings. Indeed, whilst most contractors, according to this document, music reported IRAD plans and accomplishments to DOD to advertise technical capabilities to potential DOD customers, they were not required music to do so. Therefore, we can crunch some interesting numbers here. Spending on IRAD projects covered by summaries submitted to DTIC, or the Defense Technical Information Center in 2001, totaled nearly 2.7 billion dollars, up from 2.2 billion dollars for projects music submitted in 2000. Remember back here that total IRAD for 2001 and 2000 were quoted as 3.3 and 3 billion music dollars, respectively. This means that the year 2000 saw 800 million dollars in IRAD spending that contractors chose music not to report or summarize for the DOD, and 600 million in such funds in 2001. I personally wager this IRAD difference between total reported IRAD and music IRAD with DTIC summaries was IRAD performed by contractors for clandestine deep-sixed USAPs, like UFO legacy program activities. According to TRW's 2001 annual reports, the company listed company-funded research and development programs that included both R&D for commercial products and independent research and development, IRAD. music In 1999, 2000, and 2001, before Northrop's purchase of TRW in 2002, TRW spent 468 million, 442 million, and 442 million dollars again, respectively, on music these company-funded R&D programs. So, TRW was spending near billions in today's money in IRAD leading up to the Global War on Terror and Northrop Grumman's purchase. Intriguingly, we can learn that TRW lowered R&D spending music in automotive applications to increase spending in space and electronics and new programs in aeronautical systems. Indeed, music just for accuracy's sake, we can confirm these figures in TRW's 2010K form. Let's compare this to Northrop Grumman's IRAD costs. In 2000 and 2001, Northrop spent 318 and 331 million dollars in IRAD, shockingly less than TRW. But following Northrop's acquisition of TRW in 2002, Northrop's IRAD costs exploded, totaling 429 million dollars in 2003, 504 million dollars in 2004, and 538 million dollars in 2005, all in the early days of the war on terror. And these are just reported IRAD costs. So, we can see that following the acquisition of TRW, IRAD costs exploded for Northrop Grumman in the early days of the war on terror. But of course, that can be expected with increased military industrial complex spending during wartime, right? Well, check this out. In 2003, shortly after purchasing TRW, Northrop Grumman had to pay $111.2 million to settle a False Claims Act against TRW. Between the years of 1990 and 1997, TRW engaged in five separate schemes that increased costs the US government paid TRW. These included mischarging on IRAD, misclassifying private work when performing IRAD, mischarging costs for fabrication and prototyping to avoid IRAD ceilings and more. And that's not all. TRW actually had been busted for similar misconduct before. music In 1989, the General Accounting Office investigated TRW for misclassification of contract costs as IRAD. TRW music was even busted again before in 1986, even leading to the departure of a vice president >> music >> for overcharging on certain defense contracts through independent research and development accounts, bid and proposal accounts, and general and administrative overhead accounts. With so many IRAD schemes under its belt, should it really be far-fetched to theorize TRW and the skeleton of TRW through Northrop Grumman once again harnessed IRAD for misappropriation of funds this time for self-funding of UFO legacy programs during the early days of the war on terror? And if that wasn't enough to convince you, I have stumbled upon a gem inside the CIA's FOIA reading room dated 5 April 1982, predating any of TRW's IRAD schemes. Let us reference this CIA memorandum for the Associate Deputy Director for Science and Technology, DS&T music of course, titled {quote} CIA interference with DOD Tri-Services Committee re industrial contractors negotiation of advanced agreement on independent research and development {end quote}. This memorandum outright directly states, with the Navy's aggressive posture on behalf of the DOD in their negotiations of advanced agreements with contractors music for IRAD, elements of the CIA's DS&T recognize an opportunity to channel independent research and development funds into areas of the DS&T's specific needs. The CIA DS&T literally says here they wish to funnel money into specific contractor IRAD spending to bypass {quote unquote} seed money that the CIA continuously placed through the Office of Research and Development or ORD and subactivity group with contractors such as Lockheed Missiles and Space Company, E-Systems, of course a CIA shell company formerly known as LTV, Rockwell, Harris, and TRW. To say that again, the CIA DS&T is outright stating here that they wanted to channel contractor IRAD funds from corporations such as Lockheed and TRW to support CIA DS&T's efforts in areas of specific need. Are you kidding me here? This to me is an enormous piece of evidence in our investigation. No wonder that shortly after this 1982 memorandum, TRW quickly started getting busted for IRAD schemes starting in 1986. It is likely to me TRW was misappropriating funds for the CIA DS&T itself. music And as we know, the DS&T is a massive administrative component in UFO legacy activities. I even more strongly theorize now that Northrop Grumman and its acquisition of TRW continued this practice with IRAD to carve off breakaway legacy programs with loose ties to the DS&T as David Grusch outlined for us to distill. At the very least here, I think Northrop Grumman and TRW have leveraged misappropriation of funds to sustain UFO legacy programs. We just explored how David Grusch stated the war on terror saw select contractors harness IRAD to essentially fund their own siloed UFO legacy activities and how Northrop Grumman and TRW have displayed extremely concerning IRAD trends in the past. And again, in my legacy program framework, I believe that the overwhelming majority of UFO legacy program operations fall in line with my legacy program pyramid, operating under an extremely strict chain of command and oversight, protected by severe SAP security mechanisms. What if Northrop Grumman operates in a gray area, both in roles within the standard structure of legacy programs, but also outside of the standard security structure, the {quote unquote} weird deep black, both serving US government legacy activity initiatives as well as their own UFO directives? So, I would now like to explore who I believe operates within Northrop's UFO program security structure right now in 2026. And also explore some of this weird deep sixed activity that may highlight Northrop operating select programs outside of the normal legacy chain of command. If Northrop Grumman operates its own seemingly siloed portfolio of UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs, Northrop would need an absolutely exceptional security apparatus, would it not? After all, in the traditional legacy program framework, with the utmost confidence, I have stated program protection offices music like the AFOSI PJ or Office of Special Projects, DARPA SID or DARPA Security and Intelligence Directorate, music Department of Energy OICI or Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence, etc. are paramount to program security. If Northrop is indeed operating their own rogue programs, they would not operate with or enjoy the same SAP security protocols from the above organizations. Nor would they receive oversight, personnel, resources, funds, etc. from elements of the intelligence community, armed forces, music the National Security Council, specifically the Director of National Program Special Management Staff and PMS, and more. So, essentially, Northrop would have to engage with these programs without a sufficient top cover. So, what does any corporation do when they want select personnel, technologies, capabilities, or market exposure? Well, of course, they buy. A one-star general officer makes a maximum of around $200,000 a year. A senior executive service makes around a maximum of $225,000 music a year. And to be honest, this is almost chump change for people tasked with defending the nation, entrusted with the US's deepest secrets. But a prime contractor that makes over $40 billion a year in dollars a year in revenue, well, that corporation could shower an executive director with millions of dollars a year plus stock and options. And we've seen this time and time again in my work. I often say senior DOD and IC personnel trade in their stars and stripes for a business suit to perform similar legacy program work within an FFRDC or contractor with an enormous pay bump following retirement from the United States government. What I'm trying to say here is if Northrop engages in their own breakaway siloed programs, I believe Northrop Grumman could offer competitive advantages to attract extremely seasoned and credentialed senior personnel to their {quote unquote} legacy portfolio. In fact, I reckon this can be observed by analyzing the man I theorize runs the entire security enterprise for Northrop Grumman's UFO activities, Mr. Terry Phillips. I recently named Terry Phillips in my Air Force project, music hoping to insert Phillips amongst the most prolific UFO legacy program gatekeepers >> music >> such as Glenn Gaffney and Doug Wolff. I additionally stated I consider Phillips to be a truly evil individual. And if you are watching right now and have had exposure to Phillips before I named him in my last video, I would be willing to bet anything that you agree with me here. And if AFOSI flags this video as well, hey, PJ special agents, grab a coffee and enjoy. Terry Phillips began his career as an Air Force officer before transitioning to the Air Force Office of Special Investigations or AFOSI. And I will not re-tread over my last video's content, so go watch to learn more about the OSI there. By the end of his career in government service, Phillips had earned the honor of being appointed a Senior Executive Service Tier One, the civilian equivalent to a one-star general or flag officer. Indeed, Phillips' career heights are legendary. Phillips not only served as the SAP security director for the entirety of the Air Force, but also served as executive director for AFOSI PJ or OSI Office of Special Projects. As I highlighted in my Air Force project, I believe PJ is an integral program protection element to Air Force UFO Woos apps and Saps. Indeed, within these roles is when Phillips would allegedly engage in vicious reprisal campaigns against whistleblowers. In 2022, Phillips would leave government service to serve as senior VP and chief security officer for Leidos, the spawn of SAIC and another contractor I am highly confident is involved with UFO programs. Just 1 year after, Phillips left Leidos to serve as vice president for security within Northrop Grumman. From 2023 to today, Phillips has engaged in this role. Though I have never spoken with Ross Coulthart about this matter, I was encouraged to see Ross support my allegations here. In UAP Gerb's latest video posted just a few days music ago, the man is prolific, he names names. This is definitely his boldest, bravest naming of names thus far. Is Ross able to corroborate any of them? Given the risk involved, any strength in numbers would be heartwarming. Let's get to the people who are part of the legacy program and the one I'm very happy to name, of course, is Terry Phillips, the former US Air Force officer and Air Force Office of Special Investigations Special Agent who was the executive director of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations PJ and Air Force Space Force SAP Security Director. Uh he became an SES in August 2020, served as a senior security executive at Leidos and vice president for security at Northrop Grumman. Note that. Northrop Grumman, very interesting. Northrop Grumman. Did I say Northrop Grumman? Um he is a key gatekeeper figure and frankly not a very nice person. Like myself, I wager that Ross has quite a bit of experience with Northrop Grumman. Northrop Grumman. Note that. Northrop Grumman, very interesting. Northrop Grumman. Did I say Northrop Grumman? Of course, if my allegations are correct, which I stand by fully, Phillips cannot run the entirety of Northrop Grumman's legacy program security enterprise by himself. So, who operates under Phillips? Well, for one, think back to when we discussed Northrop Grumman Mission Systems, an evolution of TRW within Northrop, where I wager legacy programs are likely held alongside other Northrop areas of major operations, and John Freestone, a senior director of security at Northrop Grumman, who stated Mission Systems quotes music "reflects the coolest and most dynamic portfolio in the company." End quotes. I often state I am confident it is specific executive-level positions within defense contractors, music such as corporate directors for special programs, SAP security directors, and vice presidents for security that are actually read into UFO legacy programs at a functional level. Although I am still quite confident Northrop Grumman also runs their own in-house UFO retrieval and exploitation programs, I still believe this pattern continues. This is why under Phillips, I strongly theorize John Freestone is a paramount executive safeguarding deep-sixed UFO legacy activities. Freestone has been with Northrop Grumman since 2000, beginning his career as a security manager to rising to the prestigious position of security director. Freestone specializes in enterprise security with a quotes "proven ability to integrate physical, cyber, and insider music risk disciplines into a unified enterprise security posture that protects personnel, music assets, information, and reputation while enabling business goals and growth." End quotes. And quotes "experience protecting mission-critical infrastructure." End quotes. Most interesting to me, of course, is Freestone's expertise in insider risk disciplines. My theory around Freestone is just that, a theory. However, I am quite intrigued by his seniority within Northrop security infrastructure and 2 and 1/2 decades at the company that precedes the TRW merger. Outside of Freestone, I am quite intrigued by another current director of security at Northrop Grumman, Mrs. Kathy Andrews. Andrews' early career saw her perform duties as VP of operations for L3 Communications from 2004 to 2006. Andrews would then immediately move on to Northrop Grumman Information Systems as a security manager from 2006 to 2015. Here, an extremely bizarre gap can be found in Andrews' resume. From 2016 to present, Andrew would serve as senior security manager and eventually director of security at Northrop. But from 2015 to 2016, Andrews took nearly a 2-year bizarre hiatus from Northrop to join the John Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory APL as an assistant group supervisor. The Applied Physics Laboratory is a university-affiliated research center UARC sponsored by the US Navy. UARCs are essentially the opposite side of the same coin of federally funded research and development centers FFRDCs, quote-unquote nonprofit organizations that maintain essential research, development, and engineering of core capabilities while serving the needs of their long-term strategic DOD sponsors. I have often theorized that UARCs are essentially research and development institutions essential to UFO legacy programs, not as imperative to federally funded research and development centers, but are often sought by specific UFO-related SAPs or Woos apps to accomplish specific challenging R&D concepts. For example, I have had exposure to a set of alleged UFO legacy programs under the US Army in the early 2000s. One such program sought to adapt electro-optic cloaking systems from a recovered non-human technical vehicle onto US Army ground vehicles, specifically the next generation music combat vehicle. I have specific knowledge that a certain California-based UARC was tacked onto this program, likely via a sole-source contract, to work closely with a specific company on complex simulation modeling systems for this program. I would be very keen to investigate if John Hopkins University's APL music has engaged in similar programs with Northrop Grumman and thus swapped personnel over the years like Kathy Andrews here. Perhaps further investigation is warranted here as Northrop Grumman and the John Hopkins APL have a rich history of close collaboration on various defense, space, and technology projects. And as of 2021, co-share office space alongside MITRE and MIT Lincoln Laboratory. Lastly here, I would like to visit with Mr. Vince Devine, director of security and SAPCO music for Northrop Grumman's Space Systems Sector. Not to be confused with the DOD Special Access Program Central Office SAPCO and former directors such as Don Dunlap and H. Marshall Ward I speak on often music in connection to legacy activities. Devine's bio here likely utilizes SAPCO to signify he is one of the executive seniors music within Northrop's internal SAP security offices. After all here, Devine's CV would certainly support this as he formerly served roles for Mantec, liaising or working intimately with DARPA's Strategic Technology Office as a SAP music functional area lead, as well as a deputy director of security supporting USDI SAPCO and DOD SAPCO. music Devine also formerly served as director of security for East Coast operations for AECOM, the evolution of EG&G, and I certainly don't believe I need to talk about EG&G here. Devine's CV from Northrop to supporting DARPA is riddled with extremely cleared work alongside the USG's most top-secret SAP channels. After all, from 2019 to 2021, Devine even supported Randall G. Walden as deputy director of security for the Air Force RCO or Rapid Capabilities music Office we spoke on earlier and that I focused a ton of attention on in my Air Force project. If Northrop's UFO programs still answer to a government handler at all, even ever so loosely, specifically in Northrop's Space Sector, Devine would indeed be the man to serve a critical role coordinating such Woos app music activities. And again, earlier here, we theorized that at least Northrop's Mission and Space Systems sectors inherited from TRW interface with the UFO portfolio, as does, in my opinion, music the aeronautic systems division through a deep-sixed rival to Lockheed's Skunk Works we will speak on shortly. There are several directors of security or senior-level SAP security positions outside of Andrews, music Divine, and Freestone that operate under Terry Phillips, Northrop's VP for security, that I wager have direct music hands-on experience with clandestine UFO programs. Just as I wager there are several executive-level positions alongside Phillips that engage with the UFO portfolio. And such personnel include one Mr. Michael Dempsey, current vice president for government affairs at Northrop Grumman. Prior to Northrop, Dempsey served a very brief stint as acting director of national intelligence under Trump, but served from 2014 to 2017 as the deputy director of national intelligence for intelligence integration under the Obama administration and even served as Obama's primary intelligence briefer. Here, Dempsey led the integration of the US intelligence community's 16 agencies. Dempsey was also a frequent participant in National Security Council principal music and deputy committee meetings. So, yes, while DDNI for intelligence integration, Dempsey reported directly music to Clapper and worked closely with Stephanie O'Sullivan. Indeed, I understand Dempsey worked music directly with Clapper on the UFO crash retrieval issue. So, if anyone partially briefed Obama on the reality of UFOs either during or after his presidency, music it would have been Dempsey at the behest of Clapper. Intriguing that in this weird operation that likely extends all the way to Lou Elizondo and the fake AATIP program, both Dempsey and O'Sullivan have intimate ties to Northrop Grumman and or TRW. Of course, prior to ODNI, just like O'Sullivan, Dempsey had a storied career with the CIA. Dempsey served as agency deputy associate director for military affairs. He also served as deputy CIA representative to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He also served as deputy director of the Weapons Intelligence Nonproliferation Arms Control Center or CIA WINPAC. According to the excellent journalist Christopher Sharp, music the CIA Weapons and Counterproliferation Mission Center, WCPMC, the evolution of WINPAC, quotes, "produces music coordinated assessments for senior policy makers on foreign advanced weapon systems and technologies across the space, air, land, sea, and music undersea domains, including UAP." End quotes. How intriguing is it that Dempsey was former deputy director of WINPAC? And how interesting is it that within a period of retirement from 1998 to 2001, James Clapper moved into the private music sector as director of intelligence programs at SRA International. SRA supported the CIA WINPAC on classified intelligence support and information systems work. Although we don't know when exactly Dempsey served as deputy director of WINPAC, maybe, just maybe, he, O'Sullivan, and Clapper through SRA International all crossed paths in the early 2000s on the UFO issue. So, if Northrop runs their own deep-sixed UFO legacy programs with limited oversight from the traditional UFO legacy program structure, where are these programs operated? After all, as far as I understand, contractors do not house UFO materials, craft, records, biologics, etc. at contractor locations for active programs. Ended programs, well, that's another story. But let's just say for an active reverse engineering program, some Lockheed Martin compound would not be home to recover technical vehicles. But a GOCO institution, government-owned contractor-operated, that feature Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman might. Like Air Force Plant 42 at Palmdale. Indeed, as I like to state, it would be highly cleared hangars on Air Force bases, naval air stations, MRTFBs, STIFFs, aka subterranean music facilities, or again, GOCO institutions such as FFRDC hangars or Plant 42 that would house such materials. If Northrop gallivants around on their own recovering and exploiting technical vehicles, I'm willing to bet any amount of money a man like Terry Phillips who literally ran Air Force SAP security would not place program materials, craft, hardware, etc. within traditional channels and thus risk exposure of Northrop's self-initiated programs. Well, I reckon here that such work would be done on sites with underground facilities, easy top ground cover, or both. I have long been infatuated with the Northrop Tejon radar cross-section facility music music music music and two Northrop engineers hailing from Helendale and Tejon. Additionally, I have referenced these RCS facilities in regards to a massive network of deep underground military bases that sprawl under the Antelope Valley with major stations under Edwards Air Force Base and China Lake. And I will maintain to this day I am extremely confident that this network of STIFFs that performs work on UFO storage, exploitation, and retrieval is very real and very active. I do have to state I do remain skeptical of some of the claims regarding this underground infrastructure, such as some stating Tejon houses a reported 42 underground levels. However, I do recommend watching my video on DUMBs to learn more about Tejon and the Antelope Valley UFO-related DUMB specific claims, such as engineers claiming to UFO researcher Bill Hamilton they were involved in digging out a massive complex beneath Tejon dubbed the Anthill. music I will be super plain here. I do believe alongside its traditional RCS work, Tejon, like Helendale, was indeed imperative to Western Range UFO legacy program operations. The question is, since Tejon is officially closed as of 2011, did the work stop or does it continue today? Though RCS testing has been conducted on Tejon since the 1980s, Northrop was officially leasing the land from Tejon Ranch Company. This lease continued until 1998 when Northrop Grumman purchased the entire 1,415 acres of land on which the Tejon RCS was located. Of course, clandestine testing continued up until the site's alleged closure in 2011, when it was claimed nearby photovoltaic installations and wind farms interfered with radar cross-section testing. Regardless of its {quote} {unquote} official closing in 2011, rumors and stories have persisted of strange lights and a vigilant security presence over Tejon. And I explored several of these in my video on Dumbs. Indeed, as of late 2024, Northrop Grumman has apparently sold ownership of the property to an LLC. This information comes from the incredible Anders from Uncanny Expeditions. Interestingly enough, I did a little bit of digging on the way down here, and it turns out that Northrop Grumman no longer owns the property. Now, I don't know if they operate here in any capacity, but the actual ownership is now under new under an LLC. Um and I wasn't able yet to trace the ownership of that LLC, so I'm going to keep digging on that. And in the making of this video, Anders has made some big breakthroughs on this sale of the Tejon property. And has graciously shared his findings with me, including the Tejon sales brochure. In November of 2024, Tejon was sold to a company called EDF Power Solutions. Anders called the company, who informed him the property was sold again to a company called Scout Clean Energy that was doing business under Keyhole Wind LLC. Anders has tried reaching out to Scout Clean Energy, including to its CEO, with no success. Essentially, Tejon Ranch will serve as an expansion for a major wind energy project to be completed by 2028. And to be plain here, I can observe nothing nefarious or bizarre about this acquisition. It appears to be very above board. Perhaps this sale of land is why recent explorations onto the surface of Tejon have been conducted by brave civilians. Maybe, just maybe, Northrop's surface-level security infrastructure is no longer present here. It took until late 2025 for a seasoned outdoorsman, Anders of course, to get onto the Tejon property and film some of the RCS runways and pylons. You all know Anders, incredible guy and incredible channel. I strongly recommend checking out his project, What Were They Hiding at Tejon? Scouting Northrop Grumman's secret site in the Antelope Valley. Alas, while he did get drone footage, Anders did not travel onto the main Tejon campus himself. And to be frank, I don't blame him. Fast forward to the making of this video, when an absolute madman with a channel called Wasteland by Wednesday actually set foot onto Tejon's campus in an incredible video titled Inside the Abandoned Northrop Aerospace Facility at Tejon Ranch. I sat here for a moment as fair game giving any legal authority one last chance to tell me something or inform me of my rights, but barring that, all bets were off, and it would be time to get low and on foot. Arriving to the compound's exterior, Wasteland by Wednesday was shocked at the clean look for a facility abandoned for 15 years. Noting the complete lack of graffiti abandoned sites often feature. I'm telling you, if I didn't know better right now, I would say that this place was barely closed down just a short time ago, or at least maybe someone's been caretaking for the place all these years. There aren't even any tumbleweeds or other music natural types of debris to break up the uncanny lack of artificial debris. Still, official record as well as satellite imagery clearly tells us that this place has been closed and empty since music 2011. But despite the official information, that is a hard and unrealistic pill to swallow. Both Wasteland, Anders, and myself all believe Tejon is remarkably kept for a site abandoned for so long. So, the question I have to ask music here is is the site staged to appear derelict and abandoned? That is one music of my biggest issues here as I walk around. This site is just too clean. The buildings are clean, the cracked asphalt is clean, and even what little apparent vandalism and wire stripping that there is looks like it was done just too clean. Almost like it may have been staged. To someone that isn't very familiar with other abandoned music locations in the general region and such, maybe this looks normal. But to someone who has spent a significant amount of time in modern ruins, this is very much outside the norm. Our standard desert raiders don't do it like this. And between them, the high winds, baking sun, and destructive music critters, nothing stays this clean and tidy for 15 years. Wasteland's hour-long video on Tejon campus music is absolutely jaw-dropping, and I strongly recommend viewing the whole thing. I mean, seriously, this to me is once-in-a-lifetime music type of stuff. While walking through the various hangars, Wasteland found a multitude of spent bullet music casings. What is bizarre about this is no bullet holes or subsequent food waste, beverage cans, or signs of presence were found music alongside the spent brass that one would expect to find from civilian shooters looking for a fun place to relax. At about 31 minutes into the video, Wasteland entered a room in a building that housed facilities for executives and featured numerous security locks and systems. Within one room, Wasteland found a series of scattered documents. UFO documents. A collection of copies of Project Blue Book documents. And this to me is shockingly darkly comical. Both Anders and Wasteland got a decently comprehensive exploration of the surface of Tejon. But as we discussed, with infrastructure being housed underground during the Cold War music to hide from prying eyes, the surface is not where we would expect to find remnants of program activity. The singular building Wasteland was unable to gain access into is the Tejon generator room. This building was still locked up tight >> music >> with meager attempts to make it look like looters had attempted to pry their way into the building, according to Wasteland. When analyzing some of the massive air filtration or cooling stacks on the rear of this locked generator building, Wasteland was able to observe a gated ventilation shaft going towards the underground music infrastructure. Now, Anders over at the Uncanny Expeditions YouTube channel that that I originally found out about this place through, um he mentioned that he had information of some underground components to this facility. music Uh underground sections that may still be in use, okay? And this right here, my friends, this goes down. Now, when I start to think about it, I'm thinking that this was never a generator building at all. Something you would definitely need for an underground facility is a way to pump in and filter an air supply, >> music >> and that's exactly what I think we're looking at here. This was obviously providing a massive volume of air to somewhere. But where? Do I have any HVAC viewers in the audience who may want to educate me about just how big a system I'm looking at here? Hello. Anders from Uncanny Expeditions seems to have encountered obstruction of Tejon's underground facilities himself. Indeed, when analyzing the RCS pylon tracks, where diamonds on the surface of the RCS testing range would raise up from underground housing airframes for RCS testing, music Anders encountered an apparent obstruction warding off the underground infrastructure. But it looks like we have some kind of a pit here, which is interesting. Let's see what we have here. Wow, so it almost looks like it would have gone deeper, and there's some kind of a a cover bolted down over the hole, cuz it kind of looks like that ladder would keep going if it weren't for whatever's blocking it there. So, of course, again, music the question here must be asked, do clandestine operations continue below the Tejon RCS facility in weirdly both acknowledged music and unacknowledged underground infrastructure while using the above-ground closed campus as a top cover, making the property appear abandoned and derelict? Well, the idea of an underground facility using a surface-level cover is not unheard of. In fact, I have covered other examples of this in my Dumb video. Examples here include the CIA operating a STIFF or subterranean facility underneath the US Army training center in Warrenton, Virginia, as well as the NSA music operating a clandestine facility beneath the Sugar Grove Naval Communication Center in West Virginia. In private conversations, I have heard many testimonies music regarding derelict buildings or shacks operating as cover while also housing elevators or access music to unacknowledged covert facilities in New Mexico and Western Texas. While Wasteland by Wednesday and Anders were not harassed music or chased off the Tejon Range, there are several accounts that say otherwise, implying a strong security presence and bizarre operations well past Tejon's official closure in 2011. These include a gentleman who claimed in 2020, when riding a bike near Tejon, he observed a Black Hawk type helicopter land near the large hangar at Tejon, sit for about 20 minutes, then depart eastward. The poster claimed when loitering near the security fence, he observed a burst of light from the facility, whereas his skin began to feel like it was on fire. The poster got extremely nauseous and was forced to leave the area for his own health. With all this recent discussion of the discombobulator, a direct energy weapon music likely, in my opinion, a microwave weapon used in Venezuela causing nausea and skin burning to subdue Venezuelan forces, music a second look needs to be taken at this testimony. It can deter individuals on a military music perimeter all the way up to a riotous crowd. All without permanent harm. It only penetrates 1/64 of an inch of your skin. Goes very shallow into where your nerve receptors are and there's no no permanent injury caused by it. Very safe system. We build in some safety margins. Training for the operators. They even let any of the guests volunteer to test out its effectiveness and safety. Including the assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps and Assistant Secretary music of the Navy. Most described it as feeling like a hot oven or grill being opened up. I am quite confident in my thesis of Terry Phillips, Freestone, Divine, music Andrews, Dempsey, and some others I don't necessarily have the bravery to mention just yet, as leading the security infrastructure behind Northrop Grumman's involvement in UFO programs. If Northrop does indeed operate their own UFO retrieval and exploitation programs largely separate from traditional legacy structure with loose oversight from elements music of the DOD and IC, I think there is a very strong argument Northrop conducts such operations music in plain sight, yet hidden behind top cover. Though it has maintained prominence in UFO lore music for decades, the secrets under Tejon have still yet to be cracked. I personally believe this derelict, yet maintained cover facility, soon to be the site for a wind farm, houses extensive underground facilities that actively engage with Northrop's UFO portfolio. With mention of Phillips and his cadre of Northrop security goons operating security and program protection surrounding Northrop's UFO program portfolio and the possibility of seemingly decrepit sites like Northrop Tejon housing underground UFO program infrastructure, the question now must be asked, who or what institution within Northrop Grumman actually performs music reverse engineering and test and evaluation of recovered UFOs? I say this because I strongly believe that Northrop Grumman, even more than Lockheed or other prime peers, has achieved unrivaled success in applying non-human technologies to human-made airframes. Whether it's the Tier 3B or a similarly named electrogravitic triangle, man-made music saucer-shaped craft, diamond-shaped sleek vehicles or others, I believe Northrop Grumman has played music a deft hand in the construction of alien reproduction vehicles. And I strongly recommend watching part one of my Northrop project to learn more there, as claims of Northrop and ARV were a massive component of that project. As I stated, I believe that both Mission and Space Systems operate within Northrop's music UFO activities, largely continuing on the legacy of TRW, specifically TRW Systems Group, as does within Northrop, Northrop's famed Aeronautics music Division. Lockheed Martin infamously possesses the Skunk Works division that music is largely inseparable from the topic of alien reproduction vehicles and some of humans' most innovative stealth aircraft. And we spoke of Skunk Works at length in my Lockheed Martin project. Boeing has its mysterious Phantom Works as well. We will talk about in a future project. Northrop Grumman possesses or possessed its own division that dealt with top secret and highly classified aeronautics projects that has seemingly largely disappeared. I am speaking here of the Northrop Advanced music Technology and Design Center or NATDC. The NATDC, considered music Northrop's own version of the Lockheed Skunk Works, is nearly untraceable with only brief flashes of mentions throughout the 1990s. From what we can discover, NATDC was formed at least by 1991 at Northrop's Pico Rivera facility in Los Angeles County, California. Pico Rivera served as the primary site for B-2 bomber development and production. NATDC was formed to preserve Northrop's expertise music on core defense programs and retain {slash} advanced technical prowess following the B-2 program, particularly to adapt innovative breakthroughs with the B-2 program onto new airframes. According to the Secret Projects Forum, music the 1991 Dayton Air Show featured a handout of several NADTC projects. These designs will be confirmed shortly in a 1992 Aviation music Week & Space Technology magazine, but just hold on for a moment. The Dayton handout in question here shows several airframe concepts from music NADTC as well as a composite STOVL or short takeoff and vertical landing composite wing design we can confirm from newspaper clippings. Airframes here include an F-16 music derivative, a multirole fighter, a high reliability fighter, the AX music and CASX. Featured here were even more innovative designs music including a low-cost fighter, advanced pilot interface technologies, an arrowhead AX design, and a special music purpose stealth aircraft meant to transport special operations forces. Now, I would be remiss here if I didn't draw parallels to the Fluxliner story and the 1998 Norton Air Force Base Air Show encounter of Brad Sorensen. music According to Brad, alongside the three man-made flying saucer Fluxliners nicknamed Mama, Papa, and Little Bear, the classified portion of the air show additionally featured intriguing airframes including the remote-piloted Aurora, a losing competitor to the B-2 bomber, VTOL troop transports music and more. I notice similar designs here between Brad's description, Mark McCandlish's illustrations, and NADTC's music airframe concepts. If indeed these connections are tangible, one must wonder if NADTC music also worked on the Fluxliners and featured their work at the 1988 Norton Air Force Base Air Show. Following 1992's Aviation music Week & Space Technology, almost all mentions of NADTC vanish. And that isn't to say the division was dissolved in the 1994 Northrop and Grumman merger. No, we can find sparse music mentions after. These include a 1994 NASA technical report referencing talks given by the music NADTC, NATDC being named as active at the Pico Rivera Northrop Grumman location music in the 1996 to 1997 World Aircraft and Systems directory, and in 1999 music NASA paper featuring NADTC under mention of NASA Ames Research Center Gravitational Research Branch. Post-1999, however, I can find nothing. >> music >> Nothing of NADTC. I cannot help but notice the suspicious timeline music that the Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center disappears right before Northrop Grumman allegedly began their own breakaway UFO crash retrieval and reverse music engineering programs. Indeed, I personally believe that the NADTC music continues work to this day within Northrop Grumman, but in a capacity even more secret than the Lockheed Skunk Works, music serving as Northrop Grumman's own in-house RDT&E institution that constructs alien reproduction vehicles music and derivative airframes with little to no accountability with a government sponsor music {slash} handler, likely funded through self-funded IRAD. To this day, I can only find three individuals music connected to the Advanced Technology and Design Center. All three of whom possess music extremely robust and accomplished CVs. Which again makes me question, why did an advanced airframe development group within Northrop Grumman, staffed with some of the brightest and music most seasoned Northrop engineers, seemingly disappear overnight? One such individual is music an accomplished engineer and project manager by the name of Richard Carrión. Possessing several engineering degrees, Carrión served from the mid-1990s as a principal engineer for Boeing and principal engineer for Rockwell Collins. From 1993 to 1996, however, Carrión served as a project engineer for Northrop Grumman, specializing music in propulsion. Who began his career at Northrop as a lead propulsion engineer for the B-2 propulsion performance. Throughout his Northrop career, Carrión served as a propulsion integrated product team leader for a high-budget unmanned vehicle project. And led numerous projects music for the Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center. These NATDC music projects include propulsion integrated product team leader for an affordable lightweight fighter, ALF, airframe ITP leader for a short takeoff and vertical landing STOVL joint tactical aircraft, SJTA. And in that position, music Carrión was responsible for quotes, "Coordinating all technical design activities for this multirole fighter, Irad." End quotes. And finally a lead propulsion engineer on a multirole fighter or MFR. And if you recall earlier, these three airframe designs were featured music in NATDC's 1991 handout. Intriguing how Carrión served a primary engineering role within all of these projects. Since these STOVLs, multirole fighters, and affordable lightweight fighter designs were never truly realized as functional via multi-million dollar Irad. One must wonder if these NATDC music airframe projects were a front for something more exotic. We can also look to a 1995 book titled quote, "Creative Action in Organization, Ivory Tower Visions in Real World Voices." End quote. And observe contributor to the book, Air Force Brigadier General music Delbert H. Jacobs, who served at this time of 1995 as vice music president and center manager for the Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center. Here we have an additional rare opportunity to learn more about the NATDC. music The book describes the center as quotes, "Responsible for originating, coordinating, music and directing all Northrop research, technology development, and design efforts music in future manned and unmanned aircraft systems. As well as other advanced applications." music End quotes. Jacobs' own obituary described this position within Northrop as head of quotes, music "Advanced stealth fighter design and development." End quotes. Prior to his career within Northrop's classified programs, Jacobs served a seasoned and accomplished general officer role, including supporting the deputy chiefs of staff. Specifically, deputy chief of staff for research, development, and music acquisition as deputy for general purpose forces. Indeed, prior to this in July of 1981, Jacobs also served as the deputy chief of staff for plans and programs music at Air Force Systems Command Headquarters. As we know from my Air Force project, music former major command Air Force Systems Command, AFSC, served as the evolution of Air Research and Development Command, ARDC. The major R&D division of the fledgling US Air Force. >> music >> And the now defunct AFSC comprises half of Air Force Material Command. The modern-day Air Force's primary R&D major command. I highly recommend my Air Force project to learn more about how Majcoms factor music into the UFO Legacy Program framework. Lastly here, we can look to a 1991 American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, AIAA, Wright Brothers lecture titled quotes, "Technology in the lives of an aircraft designer." music End quotes. Delivered by I.T. Wallen, vice president and chief designer music of Northrop Corporation's Advanced Technology and Design Center. This lecture on aeronautics is one of the AIAA's most prestigious honors. Thus, it is quite intriguing to see a Northrop VP and chief designer of the NATDC deliver such a speech from an organization lost to time. Interesting to me here is Wallen's figure one, spectrum of designs. Here we can see several incredible engineering feats under Northrop and some interesting projects following the 1980s. These include a quote-unquote stealth programs featuring a delta or diamond-shaped music vehicle alongside the B-2 and an amorphous advanced tactical aircraft program. Irv Wallen is legendary in the aerospace field. After all, Wallen formed and led the design team that created the B-2 Spirit bomber. Wallen was named vice president, music engineering and advanced technology for the B-2 division, and named vice president, chief designer of Northrop in 1988. But weirdly enough, his CV music has no extensive mention to his work on the NATDC. I am truly perplexed here that such a legend of stealth airframes who literally spearheaded the Northrop Advanced Technology Bomber program, outside of this 1991 AIAA speech, >> music >> makes no mention of the NATDC. So, we have seen that the NATDC worked on some incredible aeronautics and stealth projects. Including a plethora of airframe designs and music featured some of Northrop's most seasoned and brightest engineers. But what happened to the center? As we have shown, mentions of the Advanced Technology and Design Center >> music >> drop off a cliff following 1999. And things in the 1990s even get hairy sometimes with some documents dropping the design in NATDC for development. Including this 1996 AIAA music paper and 1994 SAE paper. Well, we don't know why the center went dark. But perhaps we can find out where it lives today in Northrop's Aeronautics division. Recall that the NATDC operated out of Northrop's Pico Rivera facility. In 2000 or 2001, Pico Rivera's laboratories and technical music facilities were moved to El Segundo, California. Home of the Aerospace Corporation and rolled under the newly established Northrop Grumman Advanced music Systems Development Center, ASDC. In the early 2000s, this new ASDC was critical to RDT&E of UAVs or unmanned aerial vehicles. Including the X-47A Pegasus, music which was funny enough quote-unquote company funded and a quote-unquote private venture. Which quite possibly means a major Irad project in the early 2000s. By 2003, the year of Northrop's acquisition of TRW, NATDC and the ASDC disappeared completely. Lost within Northrop Grumman, though likely still operating through Northrop's classified Aeronautics division music out of Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale, California. When you see a black triangular craft with a light on each vertex and perhaps one center light in the middle, I wonder if such a craft featuring derivative technologies is a product of a name only spoken in whispers. The Northrop Advanced Technology and Design Center. What's going on, guys? It is Gerb, and as always, if you have made it this far with me, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Believe it or not, when I set out to make this project, Northrop Grumman part two, or a better description, Northrop Grumman and TRW, my original plan was to keep this video under two hours. Um, we saw how that went. I think you're joining me here now about three hours and seven, three hours and 10 minutes into the project. At this point, it's just impossible. I wanted to keep this a short and concise video, but that's just not how I do things. Um, maybe in the future I'll take on some topics that require a little less to go through. Uh, to me at least, it is a personal miracle I was able to get this project out at all. This has been the hardest project I've ever worked on. Uh, a little bit because of the subject matter, but also because of, you know, the It's Probably Nothing tour I went to in both Austin and Montreal. And then just some life stuff going on. Uh, it it was really hard to get this project done, so I appreciate you joining me so much. And of course, if you're new to the channel, at the end of these videos, I go on 10-15 minute rants about, you know, the investigations and what we spoke about and so forth. So, why don't we go ahead and get that started? I'm recording this outro to the video on the 19th of March. The 18th of March, yesterday, Matthew Brown made a new appearance on the Weaponized podcast, where he discussed coordinated attacks against whistleblowers from an individual whose most recent position was in Northrop Grumman. If that doesn't tell you how imperative Northrop Grumman is to a security apparatus, to legacy programs, I don't know what will. Let me be plain here. This individual I have I have talked about Terry Phillips. I maintain and I I tweeted this, if you're watching this, go check my Twitter, that Terry Phillips, as vice president of security for Northrop Grumman, is the tip of the spear for the security architecture behind Northrop's UFO retrieval and reverse engineering efforts. The individual Matthew Brown was speaking about is not Terry Phillips, but somebody who works under Terry Phillips. Now, people are saying is that an individual named Michael Smith, who's currently SAPCO for DARPA? No, that it is not Michael Smith. He worked for Northrop Grumman from '04 to '06, working on SAPs between DARPA and the NRO. So, no, but like I said, with Phillips, there are multiple such individuals. So, let me be plain here. I talked about Terry Phillips in my Air Force project. I stated, or I alleged, because remember, this is all for entertainment purposes only. I'm playing a character. Um so, I am making allegations here that whilst executive director of PJ in Air Force SAP uh security director for the entire Air Force, Terry Phillips engaged in reprisal campaigns against whistleblowers. He retired as SES in those positions in 2021, where he moved on to Leidos and now Northrop Grumman. I believe, although he interfaces with legacy operations at both the Air Force and now Northrop Grumman, these are in different capacities, and I need to make that very clear. Whilst operating in the programs for the Air Force, I believe that Terry Phillips and other elements of PJ were deputized assets under the legacy architecture originating from the National Security Council to pursue insider and outsider threat protection. I think for Northrop Grumman, Terry Phillips is literally in charge of the entire security apparatus for Northrop's breakaway programs. And that's one of the biggest through lines of today's episode. I thank God for David Grusch. What he says in a 14-minute interview with Megan Kelly, there is more actionable intelligence in there than three 4-hour podcasts with most UFO personalities or individuals. One of the most critical things David Grusch spoke about is that in the onset of the war on terror, certain contractors began using IRAD, independent research and development, to kickstart their own UFO retrieval and reverse engineering programs. And I maintain that that is indeed true, and that Northrop Grumman is the biggest conspirator of those breakaway efforts. So, if we're talking about misappropriation of funds, if we're talking about breakaway programs, illegal use of IRAD, and so forth, Northrop Grumman is where the Congress should look to immediately. And as we proved with both TRW and Northrop Grumman, and that's not even mentioning Huntington Ingalls Industries, I name's escaping me right now. Northrop Grumman had to settle a lawsuit for their IRAD infractions and funding schemes before, too. So, TRW, leading up to Northrop's purchase in 2002, had five, at least, but more, five at least in the 1990s, IRAD fraud schemes. And even more dating back to the GAO in 1986. And as we saw with trends with Northrop Grumman and IRAD, right on the onset of the war on terror, again, it's to be expected that IRAD for prime contractors would increase, seen as there is a war going on, but we saw a large, I think, 27% increase in IRAD spending. And we also saw that in 1991, up until 2012, there were systems in place where contractors did not have to submit summaries to DTIC, the Defense uh Technical Information Center, on their IRAD activities. So, ostensibly, contractors like Northrop Grumman could maintain IRAD, do whatever the heck they wanted, and still bill the DOD for it. And in my opinion, that is Northrop Grumman's own crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. There are stories, I'm sure many of you have heard, of kinetic encounters with various corporate teams. I'm not so sure that's, although I think Lockheed has done that as well, the stories in the public zeitgeist aren't just referring to Lockheed Martin. And as we've heard, there have been certain figures associated with Northrop Grumman and very weird programs operating out of very weird sites. So, this is a part two. But I could do a part three, four, five, six, seven with Northrop. Northrop Grumman are the bad guys in the prime contractor legacy portfolio section. There is such a thing as blue programs with UFO legacy programs. These are commonly programs that originate from the National Security Council or elements of the National Security Council. Um they involve schemes like the administrative structure I proposed in my Air Force project SAP-A, A-SAP-Q, AFTE. And these are generally done with oversight, not traditional oversight from Congress and the Gang of Eight, but strict yet stripped oversight channels. So, let's back up now that we we've said all that. Uh Is there So, the project today mainly focused on individuals connected with Northrop Grumman and TRW, and that's a huge talking point I want to go through again. We discussed individuals like Donald C. Winters, with connected to TRW and the SDI, Strategic Defense Initiative. If you've watched any of my videos, I maintain quite often that SDI back-channeled funds to both UFO legacy programs and featured hidden implementations of offensive weapons against UFOs, whether that be X-ray weapons, microwave weapons. I'm not a physicist. I don't know, but I am confident in those assertions. The primary figures we spoke about today, let's just start with the Aerospace Corporation. I know we talked about that today. That is imperative because it was a spin-off from TRW and the Space Technologies Laboratories. We talked about Randall G. Walden, and we talked about Edward C. Aldridge. I'm not going to talk about Randall Walden anymore, because if you want to learn about the RCO, which in my opinion is absolutely paramount to understand when discussing blue UFO legacy programs, Edward C. Aldridge was under secretary of the Air Force, secretary of the Air Force, director of the NRO, Aerospace Corporation, et cetera. I maintain that the outside activities we learned about in the SAF history of the SAF-AA, SAF-AA being the administrative assistant to the secretary of the Air Force, whilst under secretary of the Air Force in the early 1980s, Edward C. Aldridge rolled these outside activities, which were programs outside of the Air Force that the Air Force had administrative and operational control over, in my opinion, joint UFO legacy programs with the NRO specifically, and rolled them under the SAF-AA, which is crazy, because those outside activities bypass the AAZ info/special access program oversight/security protection. That acronym so long for me, sometimes I even forget, but the AAZ is ostensibly the SAPOC for various parts of the Air Force. So, that is a huge tipper to me that Edward C. Aldridge, who has a storied history at the Aerospace Corporation, was imperative in basically setting up the siloed infrastructure of legacy programs today. Now, Northrop Grumman and TRW, we spoke about Stephanie O'Sullivan here. Her name hasn't made the rounds as much as I think it should, you know, in that same Megan Kelly interview. Um David Grusch spoke that James Clapper had control over elements of the crash retrieval issue, and he was supported greatly by his PDDNI, Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence, Stephanie O'Sullivan. As we saw with Stephanie O'Sullivan, and let's excuse her former spook career in the CIA, because whether it's Michael Dempsey, whether it's Stephanie O'Sullivan, whether it's Myrick, whether it's Doug Wolf, whether it's Glenn Gaffney, all of these folks have some sort of very spooky spook history within the agency before uh during and after some of their legacy work. Stephanie O'Sullivan began her career around 1982 within TRW. This was a series of sensitive and classified projects uh for specifically the Navy, and then she went on to O and I before moving to agency. I find it intriguing that she crossed paths with Don Myrick in 1981 to 1983, who was at TRW during that time, and probably Richard Haver as well, as we discussed. I'm sorry, if you see behind me right now, my screen is going a little bit crazy. Please forgive that. Uh Stephanie O'Sullivan is a critical individual to to enter into this conversation about the modern-day legacy program structure. I believe, with confidence, might I add, that Dick Cheney was the last head of the snake of the UFO legacy program structure, to have sort of oversight over a wide portfolio of legacy activities. The closest thing to that Now, now, the closest thing, not meaning it had he had the same influence or abilities as uh Dick Cheney, but the closest thing, even though I think that position, the head of the snake of the legacy pyramid, was a shell of itself by this time, was Clapper. So, it is imperative we study Stephanie O'Sullivan. It is imperative we discuss Michael Dempsey, the Deputy Director for National Intelligence for Intelligence Integration, Obama's primary intelligence briefer, that then moved on to Northrop Grumman as vice president for government affairs. Remember, on the other side of the prime coin, former vice president of government affairs Mary Kay Sturtevant, who was that VP position from 2006 to 2021, was the individual who back-channeled to CIA DS&T deputy director Glenn Gaffney about the proposed uh Kona Blue transfer from Jim Ryder of Lockheed Martin Space Sciences company to the ASAT program and BAS. So, if that doesn't tell you how important that role is, I don't know what will. We also talked about Richard Haver. Richard Haver, of course, served a similar position as VP for intelligence uh from both TRW and Northrop Grumman. Uh he was a great friend and protege of Dick Cheney as well. He was hand-selected by Dick Cheney to serve as um uh I can't quite remember his role at the moment, but Dick Cheney created his advisory role to the Secretary of Defense solely so Richard Haver could come work with Cheney. And then Dick Cheney also pulled um what's his name? Richard Haver to assist with the intelligence uh presidential transition. So, Richard Haver is another individual with quite the stacked CV I would be very interested to hear speak. We talked about Terry Phillips again, and I'm so happy that that name is starting to make its way into the public zeitgeist. I encourage everybody to remember uh Terry Phillips, and we talked about the security apparatus under Terry Phillips. And some individuals that I wager work with Terry in the security of Northrop's UFO efforts. These include Vincent Devine, John Freestone, and Kathy Andrews. There are others. There are others that I'm not quite bold enough to name yet. And I think I said it earlier in the video, but that is the truth. That is why when Matthew Brown and George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell decide to redact a name of a Northrop individual on the Weaponized podcast, they are not playing around. It took a long time for me to muster up the courage for me to talk about Terry Phillips. When I made my Air Force project, I had quite a few internal freak-outs about naming him. I'm only after a while I I decided to because guys like Terry Phillips, guys like this other person, and uh oftentimes people connected to Northrop are not good people. They take their insider and outsider threat protection very seriously, and I think as uh time continues, we will start to see that the name Terry Phillips will be entered into the public zeitgeist even more. Let's talk about some fun stuff, too, because TRW Hold that thought. So, this is the second time in my projects I have teased an exploration into Zodiac, okay? I know I've done that twice. So, original 1998 edition of UFO Magazine. This has the first of three of the Zodiac story, okay? I just got this so I could have the original print of the Zodiac story. So, I promise you sometime soon we will do an investigation to that. I want to as well because I find it so intriguing, and including I have my problems with Eric Davis, I still listen to everything he says. His recent uh debate or conversation with Eric Weinstein on American Alchemy, um Davis spoke that one of his primary sources for his finger on the pulse of the legacy topic was a woman at TRW. So, I will do everything I can to find out who that woman is, whether it's the pseudonym behind Sedge Masters, Mary uh can't remember her name at this moment, Elizabeth Scott. We will see. Also, I wanted to give a huge shout-out to Anders from Uncanny Expeditions and Wasteland by Wednesday for their bold trekking onto the Tejon Radar Cross Section facility. Again, the site was allegedly closed in 2011. I have gone out on a limb, and I will go out again, that there is a presence of Northrop Grumman under Tejon that likely still exists to this day engaged with the UFO issue. As Wasteland said throughout his crazy video, which to me is one of the most insane videos I have ever seen on YouTube, the site is staged too clean and too immaculate. As he said, the site almost appears as if somebody wanted the facility to look abandoned and decrepit. I'm intrigued by building 113. As am I intrigued with the Blue Book documents that were left inside one of the administration buildings. That to me is quite a comical troll. Um I am interested to see how that story is uh unfolds if more brave, intrepid explorers are willing to go onto those grounds. What else did we talk about today, guys? There's still much more to be said about TRW. We talked about Dr. Anda Doll as well, Edward Bushnell Doll. Uh I think being able to connect Doll to TRW to TRW Space Technologies Laboratory to TRW to TRW Systems Group to now Northrop Grumman Mission Systems and Space Systems is imperative as well. A lot of the time, you know, whether I make an Aztec case, whether I make a Kingman case, whether I make a Kecksburg case, a lot of the time these cases or these UFO crash retrievals or these legacy program efforts, you know, when I would talk about Robert Sarbacher and Vannevar Bush um occurred in the '40s, '50s, and '60s. Dr. Doll is a perfect example of how '50s era crash retrievals or '50s era figures can parlay into valuable and actionable study of figures today. You know, Dr. Eric Henry Wang, he gets all the spotlight from the Kingman case, but he died in 1960. I think he was only 54 to 56 years old, which is tragic. Dr. Doll lived a long and fruitful life. Um he worked on the Manhattan Project. He worked on Operation Upshot-Knothole, SRI, then moved on to TRW, where he retired as an executive VP in 1979. And as we see with some of the projects he spearheaded and the divisions on TRW, TRW Systems Group, and TRW Special Projects, which was intimately involved with uh Pine Gap Australia and NRO Program B that featured the CIA DS&T, there's real tangible things for us to work with here. This was a incredibly fun project for me to make. Again, very difficult just with stuff going on, but I'm very happy that we have a Northrop part two now, and when I made my first project, I focused too much on whistleblower claims and so forth. This project is up to snuff with my investigations today. So, eventually I'll make a super cut of the two projects and put them together, and at that point, gosh, I think that'd be a 4 and 1/2 hour video, so we'll do that sometime. But with that being said, guys, um you'll notice a new background behind me. Trying to spice up the place. It's I still got to play with some of the focus so I can show off some of my goods. Um behind me to my left is a Lockheed uh Yes, it's a pre-merger. It's a Lockheed ad from 1985. I have a TRW rapid prototyping ad from 1995 '85. Above my head, a BDM ad from 1985. And right behind me, another TRW ad. So, maybe in the future I am trying to build build out I also have a TR-3B model behind me on my right shoulder that I'm not going to unbox. But in the future, I might set up a PO box or something, so if there's patches, if there's challenge coins, if there's shirts or cool models people have made or artwork they want to show off, I can incorporate that into the background. I would love to. I'm huge into collectibles, so uh specifically challenge coins, um that's what I would like the most. At the it's probably nothing to her in Montreal. Uh a bloke walked up to me, said I would have made a great intelligence official, handed me a challenge coin from one of the um Canadian intelligence agencies that made my week. As same with meeting GSP, Georges St-Pierre, the greatest MMA fighter of all time. With that being said, by the time this project releases, I'll already be onto the next one. Um I have a Patreon if you want to support the channel. I don't gatekeep content, so please just support what you think the channel is worth. Uh Your watch, your like, your subscribe, your comment, that means the world to me. And I also have uh memberships as well here on YouTube. Um Right now, all I can provide extra for that are some cool badges. So, you know, if you want an AFOSI badge or a cool badge to to comment by, I have that, too. But I I appreciate everybody so much for being here. Um so many bright things to look forward to. I will remain optimistic in the disclosure pro- process. We'll see how it goes. Um Remember the name Northrop Grumman. Remember that Northrop Grumman is not a good group of people. Remember that Northrop Grumman engages in their own breakaway UFO activities. Remember the name Michael Dempsey. Remember the name Stephanie O'Sullivan. Remember the name Richard Haver. And most importantly, remember the name Terry Phillips. I'll see everybody next time. Thanks, guys. Bye.